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John Lyon 10-04-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SergioK (Post 4186712)
No, not all the metal in a cat is platinum.

I sat next to a guy working on hydrogen cells a fews weeks ago at a football game (which is where I get all my best information). He said they've replaced a platinum catalyst with a fine fabric made by W.L. Gore (like goretex). Strange.

peter f 10-04-2008 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RoLoo (Post 4218208)
....and you can see this emptiness ; closing the throttle at around 7000 RPM gives a nice bang, together with a nice pair of 30 centimeters long blue flames... (

Ah! the merits of that backfire long forgotten thing (my full HPE does this across the ...erm...whole rpm spectrum).

All in all (soundtrack apart) was it worthy? what about remapping that RB1 thing of yours?

RoLoo 12-05-2008 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by peter f (Post 4219523)

All in all (soundtrack apart) was it worthy?
what about remapping that RB1 thing of yours?


…oops… :eek:


…I never gave a reply…



…but it’s (a big) ‘yes’
…this trouble of letting the cat out, was truly worth it…
…sooooo much smooth mid range torque/power now…

…and none of the typical R12S throttle hesitation around 4000 RPM anymore…
…different bike now…

…it was already different with the (stock) RB1…
…after that with the remapped RB even better…
…and it is now (engine wise) close to perfect (for me)…

…next spring I will have the S on the dyno again, for further RapidBike improvements…
…it smells as if the bike runs a bit rich in the mid range now…

…but ; some sort of winter now over here…
…wet, cold, and salty roads…




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Guest24 12-05-2008 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wswartzwel (Post 4186809)
Um ... a hammer and a big punch poked up the tail pipe, will shatter that stuff... then pour it out. no dremel needed.

How will the resulting empty chamber affect the flow? Does anyone know? Does the cat on the HP2S act as a first silencer as on the 11S? Answers, you can't stand the answers! You want me on that wall! You need me on that wall! Sorry I had a flashback to "A Few Good Men":D

signit98 12-05-2008 05:38 AM

...you basically add another expansion chamber... the question remains "Is it in the right spot"?

According to Ron, it seems to be positive, rather than negative... in the end, you add flow which is good to some extend... being that he still has the original exhaust, there still is enough back pressure to retain a good torque band, actually adding to it in some areas...

The dyno will tell the true story...

wswartzwel 12-05-2008 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nail24 (Post 4341539)
Originally Posted by wswartzwel
Um ... a hammer and a big punch poked up the tail pipe, will shatter that stuff... then pour it out. no dremel needed.
How will the resulting empty chamber affect the flow? Does anyone know? Does the cat on the HP2S act as a first silencer as on the 11S? Answers, you can't stand the answers! You want me on that wall! You need me on that wall! Sorry I had a flashback to "A Few Good Men":D

After seeing RoLoos apart.... The Hammer/punch method won't work... the cat is not ceramic

Guest24 12-05-2008 05:41 AM

Crap! Nothing is easy any more, Bill

I just looked at the replacement cost if you screw up the OEM system.:eek:

It's $1,866.11!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:

RoLoo 12-05-2008 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by signit98 (Post 4341567)

According to Ron, it seems to be positive, rather than negative... in the end, you add flow which is good to some extend... being that he still has the original exhaust, there still is enough back pressure to retain a good torque band, actually adding to it in some areas...

The dyno will tell the true story...

...of course, with a set of custom made pipes maybe the flow, and pressure could be better...

...on the other hand, Laser once made a set of very fine pipes for the R12S Van Harten Racer...
...way different from the 'stock' cat-less headers we know from Laser...

...some time later Van Harten swapped those pipes for a full (stock Ti) Akra set, and the bike performed better...




...but removing the cat from my stock pipes, already gave a massive improvement...


...and ASAP (next spring or so) I will post my old & new dyno results...




...btw Ralf ; I don't have the original exhaust...
...Lasers these days, remember... ;)

signit98 12-05-2008 06:00 AM

...I hardly remember my name these days, Ron... let alone what you did with your pipes :D

RoLoo 12-05-2008 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by signit98 (Post 4341597)

...I hardly remember my name these days...

...dont worry Ralf, we can hand you a solution for every problem... ;)

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r.../ralfshirt.jpg





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RoLoo 03-17-2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by signit98 (Post 4341567)

According to Ron, it seems to be positive, rather than negative

The dyno will tell the true story...

...tomorrow, in the afternoon (Wednesday), the dyno will tell the story...

...just made the appointment a few minutes ago...



...and as soon as the results are in ; I will post them...
...it's a 375 mile trip, so I think it will be Thursday, before I can post the new numbers...


... SmileWavy ...

boxercup 03-17-2009 06:00 AM

A nice trip!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoLoo (Post 4548601)
...tomorrow, in the afternoon (Wednesday), the dyno will tell the story...
...just made the appointment a few minutes ago...
...and as soon as the results are in ; I will post them...

...it's a 375 mile trip, so I think it will be Thursday, before I can post the new numbers...
... SmileWavy ...

Greetings Roloo,

That is a short trip considering the benefits.


*It is to one of the best tuners in the world Ruud Fredereks!;)
*The trip back will be faster and smoother!:)


Enjoy the trip!

RoLoo 03-17-2009 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxercup (Post 4548782)

Greetings Roloo,

That is a short trip considering the benefits.


*It is to one of the best tuners in the world Ruud Frederiks!;)
*The trip back will be faster and smoother!:)


Enjoy the trip!

...thanx Robert !...

throttlemeister 03-18-2009 01:57 PM

I won't spoil everything for Ron, but holy cow, I never thought an almost stock 12S had that many horses hiding in that motor somewhere. Something like a peak of 144 horsies at the crank is quite impressive, especially 2 feet away from the business end of a pair of open Laser pipes as it bounces of the limiter. :D

RoLoo 03-18-2009 02:04 PM

...something like this...

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...09filmpje1.jpg

boxercup 03-18-2009 02:12 PM

They are There!
 
Greetings TM,

They are there all right...

You just have to feed them correctly after you remove the pumping losses from the restrictive intake and exhaust!

EU 3 and the EPA regulations strangle engines very well!

Let's just say that Roloo set them free at the hands of a good performance plan and a good tuner... a very good tuner! Ruud is one of the best!

Although you report excellent WOT readings - you would be surprised if you noted the A-B difference @ 30 - 50 - 75% throttle. Would be just as impressive!

I am happy for Roloo! He seems like a goed BMW persoon!

Goedenacht TM!SmileWavy

throttlemeister 03-18-2009 02:20 PM

Rob, I know, I was there watching the master at work. :) But I don't want to give everything away, it is Ron's party after all. :)

boxercup 03-18-2009 02:23 PM

Nog wakker Roloo
 
Greetings Roloo,

Nog wakker?

Geluk voorkomt slapen?

We wachten op je verhaal!

Goede dromen met het voorwiel in de lucht!

Goedenacht!SmileWavy

boxercup 03-18-2009 02:27 PM

Hij vertelt zijn verhaal!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by throttlemeister (Post 4552352)
Rob, I know, I was there watching the master at work. :) But I don't want to give everything away, it is Ron's party after all. :)

TM,

Ja laat hem vertellen.... ;) :cool: ;) :eek: :)

RoLoo 03-18-2009 10:56 PM

...Goodmorning all ! (and for our new Dutch guy Robert : Goedemorgen allemaal ! ;) )...

...will post a thing or two this evening ; first another day 'at work'...


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