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Another forum I go to states it is a reactionary design to this:
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The side shots of that design exercise are hideous. It looks like it was a reaction less griso, and more to JVB Moto's 'Flat Red' Ducati.
 Short-tails on big-tanked bikes always looks like proportional crap. The headlights look like they were stolen from a crashed 1098. There's something I like about it from the 3/4 views, but there's a lot I'd change. Like stacked scrambler pipes instead of the JVB-Moto-style twin high pipes. |
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Does anybody know if BMW is teasing with this Lo-Rider thing, or are they contemplating building it?
Autoblog posted another headline about it, with some variation renderings... dual, single, or cowled single seats, high or low pipes, toaster or non-toaster tanks, round or stacked headlights, red painted engines... all sorts of things. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/18/bmw-shows-off-a-slew-of-custom-lo-rider-renderings/ Autoblog Gallery  This seems like a bit of a throwback to more basic motorcycling, which I think is very good, in addition to their more sophisticated models. (these aren't a replacement for a R12S... I still hope to see a replacement for it...) No telelever, certainly no duolever, but rather USD forks and radial brakes... A less-triangulated aft subframe, and minimalist seat support, but still basic hex-head and paralever-evo driveline... (although I kinda wonder about re-adding the Telelever front end from an R1200R, or something...) I dunno about the rendered spokey wheels, and thick tires... but I can see how people would like it. I would fit a couple of aftermarket, or at least R12S wheels and sportier tires... but this has almost a purer vibe than even a Speed Triple, or a Duc Monster. I can totally see something like this replacing my Honda Hawk GT. I got interested in motorcycles by helping a college room-mate wrench on an early 70s R50/5 black toaster-tank... I can definitely see the family resemblance here. I hope BMW builds and sells these bikes, especially at a more affordable price than the more well equipped boxers and in-lines. |
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Yes, BMW is definitely planning to do this.
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If they also would offer a "78 900SS" type cafe-fairing for it they might be onto something.And just for the reason if they want to actuallly sell a few of those,PLEASE don't forget the OPTIONS for bags,rack,2upseat and centerstand!
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The seat modules look changeable. Single seat, add on pillion seat with additional support bars... I would think that some sort of tubular steel subframe could even be fabricated after-market to add BMW system case mount points. There is nothing to the seat, besides a few steel tubes for support, and a modular LED tail light unit. It isn't as though there is a lot of mechanical stuff hidden in the tail section bodywork. There is no tail section bodywork. I could see someone fabbing up a rear subframe for the single and pillion seat units, and system case mounts, straddling over the high exhaust... the low exhaust issue probably depends on the location of the pipes, in relation to the left side case. Probably could do one with single seat, with top and side cases mounted. But on some of the renderings, it shows how much space between the oil pan and the rear tire, for an underslung muffler... which would open space on the sides for cases. But this also isn't exactly an RT model, so a lot of support for big luggage is probably not going to be a huge priority on the list, for a stripped down, inexpensive model. BTW, I am not on the west coast, otherwise I would love to go to the motorcycle show to see something like this, and more. BTW, also, the gallery link that I posted above, has larger renderings of most of the individual variations, if you have a particular favorite... Last edited by BoxerFanatic; 11-20-2008 at 09:08 AM.. |
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BoxerFanatic,I don't think it will be an inexpensive bike.
It is a spinn-off of the HP-2 but with different styling. Like the bike.But if they make it "toy-only" and "robb" it of all practicality it will be nothing more than another short lived new BMW like R1200S,HP-2/S/megamoto,before. If they learned from the mistakes of the past they let the customer decide how much play-toy only or real world userfulness he wants. Otherwise people will look at it and will say looks nice and interesting and they I can't afford to buy a play only bike especially in todays economic realities... |
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I hope it is inexpensive...
What is on that bike that is so big? It doesn't have BMW-specific front suspension, but rather USD forks It certainly doesn't have the HP2 Sport's DOHC engine, although it might be somewhat derived from the Megamoto in some ways... It doesn't have big plastic, or any other accoutrements. It is an engine, two wheels, and a very thin seat. it is boiled down essence of motorcycle. What is there to cost a bunch of money? BMW doesn't have the fashion-statement aspect that the Ducatis have to cash in on. they have history, but the non-BMW motorcycle crowd would hardly know the extent of that. This bike speaks "value leader with some style points" to me. not fashion-horse uber-toy. I am not saying it is going to be a bargain basement bike compared to the rest of the market, but there is nothing there... there is no reason for it to cost as much as more sophisticated BMW bike, like an HP2 or an R1200S. It doesn't have the full cruiser styling of the R1200C, either. What is going to be the selling point of this bike, if it costs somewhere in the mid-teen thousands of dollars? It should start under ten grand base price, and that is a lot compared to asian-brand motorcycles of this style. And even at bargain prices, the Asian naked bikes are evaporating. SV1000 is gone, and Superhawk withered on the vine for years before it was finally allowed to retire. One could argue that this is almost more like a bare cruiser, with the thick tires and spoked wheels... kind of a dirt tracker, like a Sportster, or something, or a high-piped Bonneville. Maybe in some configurations it might be as lithe and sporty as a Ducati Sport Classic, or a Thruxton, but it isn't as brutal as a Speed Triple, Brutale, or Ducati's naked version of the 1098. THOSE are getting to be uber-toys, and that is BMW K12R, and K13R territory, not this bike. If it costs a lot of money, it will falter harder than the R1200S did. A bike without an audience. The R1200S had the equipment to justify it's price, just stuck between the better power of the K-series, Aprilia, and Speed Triple for fans of euro bikes, and the faster, lighter, cheaper, more popular asian sport bikes. This seems like a much more stripped down bike than that, and shouldn't cost as much. It will be even harder for this bike to find a niche for itself if it is seen as too expensive for it's content. I agree it should be modular, and the renderings and photos make it look like it would be easy to be modular with the bike... But if they price it like a uber-toy, practicality won't matter as it sits on the showroom floor. Especially in this market climate, where people are a LOT more skittish to spend hard earned currency in uncertain times. A VALUE bike, pitched as such, low maintenance shaft drive, balanced boxer twin engine, and basic, pure fun for a good price might get people to buy. A ton of money for a spartan bike is going to be a harder sell. Last edited by BoxerFanatic; 11-20-2008 at 09:27 PM.. |
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 The text misses the fact that it maintains shaft drive. Wierd how the right side exhaust wraps around the front and down the left side and then winds up with left and right exhaust tips outboard of what is probably a combined silencer/cat. And it has a Queensland licence plate!!!!  I hope these are still readable, I had to keep shrinking them to fit the 100kb limit.
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BoxerFanatic,I hear you.But I'll bet when everything is set and done,it will be a $18000 motorcycle.Look how much the HP/High Prize 2 was.
Less nice and expensive parts on and still 20 grand... I know a lot of the price was "political"... But it still could succeed as a customizeable factory bike. Whatever people see in it,they could get their Monster,Griso,Bonneville,Nighster,LowRider,Roadste r,Bobber or with the unfortunately missing half fairing a nice Cafe Racer! Just hope they learn from the mistakes of the past and let the customer decide if he wants single or dual seat,bags or no bags and same with luggage rack and center stand!The tank looks big enough...
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$18,000...
I wish BMW good luck with that one, but they won't sell 'em. Maybe on the megamoto and stuff like that, where on dual-role motorbikes, lighter and simpler is better in many ways... but on a street bike... stripped down is supposed to be cheaper and more attainable, not more expensive for fewer features. Otherwise R1200R would be more expensive than HP2 Sport. There is no way that it would make it into my garage anywhere near that price. It would have to depreciate for 5 or 10 years first... and by then, who knows... Why would someone buy this for anywhere near $18K, when R1200S sold so modestly at it's price? R1200R is not exactly breaking sales records, either, I don't think. And why would they buy it over something like a K12R, or R-Sport, or it's 1300cc upgrade? Why would a BMW enthusiast buy a bike like this with meager to non-existent touring features, no apparent fairing, and no BMW-trademark alternative front suspension systems, or anything, for more money than some of BMW's more traditionally sophisticated machines? And who on earth would compare this BMW to other brands, and think that that price was anywhere near appropriate? That is almost 7 grand more than the price of a Speed Triple, and more than double that of the Bonneville Thruxton, which is less than $9k base price. That is more than the Ducati Sport 1000, Monster 1100S, Hypermotard, and maybe even the same or less than the base Streetfighter 1098. That is the kind of money that goes for an MV Agusta Brutale 910R, or 1078 upcoming model. I am just not seeing that price point being workable for BMW. It isn't a special edition of the K1300R with all the features, it is a stripped down boxer street bike. Configureable, definitely... exotic, hardly. Last edited by BoxerFanatic; 11-21-2008 at 11:57 AM.. |
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BoxerFanatic,like you said.The Lo Rider won't sell like the HP's didn't sell.
For the same reasons.Price and lack of usefulness. Seems like BMW lately is more concerned to build a few "cool" bikes to sharpen their image but with no intensions to actually sell them... The R1200R is the best beemer and probably best motorcycle you can buy today.With ABS and bags around 17K O.T.D... A little bit underrated,but fastest bike for the Alps/"Alpenmeister" 2 years running...Sell's well in europe.All it needs is a fairing a la R1100S... But with Ohlins stock and a lot of nicely fabricated parts I would be surprised if they sold the L-R for less than 18K...The nice laced wheels alone cost way more than cast pieces. Look at at HP-2,the Lo Rider is based on.Had no Ohlins,cheaper plastic tank, cheaper to produce pipe and other parts like plastik fenders less costly. They wanted 20 grand for it while you could have a better regular GS with more expensive telelever and ABS for 5 grand less... The "Lo Reider" if getting the green light,for sure won't be no bargain blue light special...But you are right,if they forgot about the options BMW riders want,they might as well forget about it... |
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I'm surprized that no one has pointed out the similarity between Chris H's R75/5 cafe racer and the neo-retro bobbers that are in the works. I think all of them are really nice looking design exercises & if I weren't so pragmatic in my MC choices I would like own a few myself.
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Yeah,it's a nice (looking) bike.Except the ugly front.It's missing a nice (looking) half fairing.Probably would have gained another 10mph or so,too,with it.
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