Air Temperature Sensor - Improving Engine Performance?

[OwenM]

If I were making a FRK type device for sale at the money Robert is asking I would put a bunch of useless cheap components in there to throw people off the scent and keep them guessing, its a great way to make a simple device look complicated and mysterious.

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by OwenM

If I were making a FRK type device for sale at the money Robert is asking I would put a bunch of useless cheap components in there to throw people off the scent and keep them guessing, its a great way to make a simple device look complicated and mysterious.

yeah and that's why he seals it in a little plastic module, to really throw everybody off. he must be very unhappy for these type of expose's otherwise nobody would know he was putting all those little cheap components in there to throw everybody off.

get off the axe grinding campaign! this whole experiment was put together to disprove Foster, and be able to call him a liar at the conclusion. you are all still pissed that he won't tell you specifically what is in the FRK and so you guess and speculate, and even put together an antiquated technology and try to say thats what it is!

even with all the Sherlock Holmes BS, he still chimes in here and cheers you guys on. you might try befriending him, maybe you could REALLY learn something.

[AndrewA]

Originally Posted by jduke

I do appreciate all the work AndrewA has put into this, and I know I sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but I sure do wish AndrewA would take Robert up on his return policy and try his device and then the FRK and come back to us with some kind of feedback on the plus's and minus's of one versus the other.

jduke - Do you have an FRK?

If you are that interested in a comparison, I am more than willing to send the IAT spoofer to you for an evaluation. Just PM me your address and I'll ship it right out.
My riding season is almost done, so I wont need it for a while.

If you don't want to do it, I'll send it to anyone that is interested.

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by shreddr

yeah and that's why he seals it in a little plastic module, to really throw everybody off. he must be very thankful for these type of expose's otherwise nobody would know he was putting all those little cheap components in there to throw everybody off.

get off the axe grinding campaign! this whole experiment was put together to disprove Foster, and be able to call him a liar at the conclusion. you are all still pissed that he won't tell you specifically what is in the FRK and so you guess and speculate, and even put together an antiquated technology and try to say thats what it is!

even with all the Sherlock Holmes BS, he still chimes in here and cheers you guys on. you might try befriending him, maybe you could REALLY learn something.

If you don’t seal the box so people can’t easily see what its doing, where is the mystery?
The mystery “high tech” marketing approach definitely works as evidenced by people wanting comparisons between the resistor approach and the FRK, they obviously still believe the FRK could be doing something unusual, maybe it is, I don’t know or care.

You are dead wrong in assuming I am pissed at Robert for not disclosing what’s in the box, it really does not matter to me. The only reason I made a spoofing device was to find out what it could do, I had no intention of purchasing a FRK for comparison or doing any dyno testing to prove or disprove anything, if others want to pursue that they are free to.

As for Roberts input into this thread, which is specifically NOT about the FRK, it has been either odd, “stay on topic, stay on topic”, patronising or self serving imho.

[boxercup]

Originally Posted by OwenM

If I were making a FRK type device for sale at the money Robert is asking I would put a bunch of useless cheap components in there to throw people off the scent and keep them guessing, its a great way to make a simple device look complicated and mysterious.

Hey Mate,
WOW!!!
Sounds Like a Bad Plan MATE!

If you don't know how we do it that is OK! No one can be an expert at everything!

It was not easy - It took a lot of R&D.

Well worth it.

Just give the enthusiast what he wants! <> Power!

[OwenM]

To use your words, "stay on topic" , this thread is not an advertising platform for your product Roger.

[boxercup]

Originally Posted by OwenM

If I were making a FRK type device for sale at the money Robert is asking I would put a bunch of useless cheap components in there to throw people off the scent and keep them guessing, its a great way to make a simple device look complicated and mysterious.

[AndrewA]

Originally Posted by boxercup

You promised tuning 2.1! A Power FRK Module Clone<>You provided J.C. Whitney!

A Power FRK Module clone? You are not even close!


Don't include the Power FRK Module in your suppositions. It does not relate to your device at all!

Could you please show where I promised a FRK Clone? Could you please show where in my suppositions I included any mention of your FRK?

Originally Posted by boxercup

Thank you for this opportunity that was offered by Andrew in mentioning the Power FRK Clone and referencing our product with "Spoofers"

Could you explain what this means, please?

[AndrewA]

Actually, Robert, don't feel obligated to explain your comments - I am sure that any confusion about what I have said is my fault - I really need to pick my words more carefully.


I do, though, kindly ask that you please refrain from using any of my comments in this thread as fodder for your ongoing marketing / spam campaign. Is that fair?

Thanks in advance.

[boxercup]

Originally Posted by AndrewA

Actually, Robert, don't feel obligated to explain your comments - I am sure that any confusion about what I have said is my fault - I really need to pick my words more carefully.


I do, though, kindly ask that you please refrain from using any of my comments in this thread as fodder for your ongoing marketing / spam campaign. Is that fair?

Thanks in advance.

Greetings Andrew,

If the Power FRK or my name is referenced I have the right to respond!

This you did do!

However, Andrew I am sincerely fond of your experimentation.

It seems you are the only one who has done the R&D. I like scholarship!

Andrew, "Believed Imitation is the Ultimate Compliment"!

Thanks!

[OwenM]

One of the guys on the i-bmw forum has tested a FRK on his K12GT, the GS-911 shows the air temperature to be around 20 degrees C below true ambient, certainly not -25C as was the case with the Triumph, this ties in well with my testing on the RT which seems to run best when spoofed to about the same level. A 10k to 16.8k resistor is series with the temp sensor should give a similar result according to my testing.

[roger albert]

> To use your words, "stay on topic" , this thread is not an advertising platform for your product Roger.

And what is that in reference to? How was I involved in any product here? Spend more time getting facts straight, and references straight, and less parroting and quoting others work, and your 'contributions' will perhaps be more welcome.

[AndrewA]

Here is a very rudimentary drawing of what a very rudimentary IAT spoofer looks like.

[boxercup]

Nice work Andrew!

You did it!

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by roger albert

And what is that in reference to? How was I involved in any product here?

You obviously weren’t Roger, it’s a simple slip up so why comment? Robert had no trouble working it out.

Originally Posted by roger albert

Spend more time getting facts straight, and references straight, and less parroting and quoting others work, and your 'contributions' will perhaps be more welcome.

Please show me where my I have got my facts wrong or quoted others work where it is not on topic and useful to this thread.
If it were not for my “parroting” and “contributions” I very much doubt this forum and its members would have pursued the resistance tuning idea.


If Roger is not in this thread to promote his product and downplay the resistor idea what is this about?

Originally Posted by boxercup

The Power FRK Module uses no resistors!

We use 3 types of Diodes, Capacitors, Transistors and _____________!

The Power FRK Module is dynamic! Resistance tuning is static and outdated!

Thus:

Power FRK Module - Tuning 2.0 - Dynamic - No Dyno Necessary! FROM A SMOOTH STRONG IDLE TO REDLINE - Smooth and Powerful!

Maybe it’s just me, but I wonder why Robert has such a close interest in this thread.

[OwenM]

Here is a concept for someone to play with. Use a resistor or FRK to correct the overall fuel curve and provide as much ignition advance as possible at the ECU level and then use a Rapid Bike or similar add on box to correct the remaining unevenness in the fuelling, especially the lean bottom end.
This seems like a good plan and I am surprised it has not been mentioned.

[roger albert]

Simple indeed Owen.

so why comment?

Look beavis, mix it up with everyone all the time, and then invoke someones name - you can expect to get comments in that context. At the rate it's going, we won't be listening to them much longer though.

[OwenM]

I notice you did not respond to me about this.

Originally Posted by boxercup

The Power FRK Module uses no resistors!

We use 3 types of Diodes, Capacitors, Transistors and _____________!

The Power FRK Module is dynamic! Resistance tuning is static and outdated!

Thus:

Power FRK Module - Tuning 2.0 - Dynamic - No Dyno Necessary! FROM A SMOOTH STRONG IDLE TO REDLINE - Smooth and Powerful!

That post by Robert (and others) is what prompted my post in the FRK thread resulting in uproar. I did not want this thread turning into yet another FRK debacle and Andrew has expressed the same sentiment. What say you?

[KMoore]

These threads have been quite popular.


I (and a lot of others, it seems) have enjoyed following the discussion and the results of Owen and Andrew's work. Robust debate in a technical forum... who would have thought?

And... before anyone says, I did notice that Owen's post on the Power FRK product review was no. 666.

[JOHN-DYNOSTAR]

owenM as instructed I have read this thread.

My experience of bmw's is that they don't like a permenant resistance on the lambda
when using aftermarket fuel controllers.

so I think a permenant resistance anywhere in the system is not good.

I think modern ecu's are a little more intelligent these days and read all the sensors actively.

all credit to AndrewA and you.I would be willing to independantly test this spoofer if you like
to show if it works safely
and ultimately it will save my customer loads of dosh