Finished my 1st ghost.

[gr8fl4porsche]

Finished my 1st ghost gun today.

Polymer 80 puts out a fantastic kit.

Picked up the kit for $109 shipped to my door.

For those of you who do not know what I’m talking about, these are 80% completed frames that do not require a FFL. You are required to finish milling the last 20%. The kit comes with the jig and all necessary milling tools. You provide a drill press or simple hand tools.

Takes a couple hours to complete and assemble if you go slow.

This is the P80 PF940C FDE with a RTF2 Gilled Glock 23 used as a donor for all parts. I am running it with an Alpha Wolf 9mm conversion barrel.



The next logical question is why?
The answer. Why not.

All parts needed to complete the kits are available online. No FFL or background checks required. Factory Glock parts fit or choose from the ever expanding aftermarket which is exploding due to these frames.

[Zeke]

I'm not surprised that in 190 views no one has commented. AFA for me — no comment.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Interesting option. I'm not a Glock fan because they don't fit my hand well, but respect their competence. How does the ghost option compare to simply buying a new Glock outright?

[brainz01]

Looks nice. It's pretty satisfying to complete projects like that.

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[gr8fl4porsche]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Interesting option. I'm not a Glock fan because they don't fit my hand well, but respect their competence. How does the ghost option compare to simply buying a new Glock outright?

The P80 frames are not copies of Glock frames. The grip angle is similar to a 1911, no finger grooves, the ‘hump’ is removed, trigger guard is double undercut and the beaver tail is more pronounced. So they fit and feel quite differently than the stock frames.

One could put a pistol together for around the same price as a new Glock but could also
spend as much on a slide as a complete pistol.

[RonDent]

OK, I know I'll catch a lot of flack, but, why? First don't get me wrong. I believe that anyone that is legal allowed to own a fire arms is entitled to do so. So don't even go that way. Is it the attraction of owning an untraceable fire arm? That you have somehow "legally" gotten around the law? Or is it reward of just being able to do it. I get that. A good friend of mine is a gunsmith, trained in Austria. Does beautiful work. So I get that. But you mention the fact, twice, that there is no FFL or background check. So, why? Not picking a fight, just asking a question.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm not surprised that in 190 views no one has commented. AFA for me — no comment.

Same here, no sense asking for trouble from the black helicopters.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by RonDent

OK, Is it the attraction of owning an untraceable fire arm? That you have somehow "legally" gotten around the law?

Not an issue.
There are millions of "untraceable" firearms in this country, as there used to be no checks at all, an they are passed down from generation to generation.

Sure, buy a new one today and there is federal paperwork involved.

One used to be able to order rifles from the Sears catalog. No background checks, no age verification. Send the money, Sears sends the gun through the mail. Friends sell/trade with friends, dad gives his son his first .22, later his first 12-guage shotgun. "You want my go-cart? I'll trade for your 30-30!"

Not long ago, all normal everyday activity. And all of those are still out there, somewhere.

[flatbutt]

This is what I don't get...you can buy an unfinished frame, get the other bits and put it all together yourself legally. However the finished product is an unregistered , untraceable and un numbered hand gun...how is that not illegal?

[onewhippedpuppy]

You guys all realize that in most states, you can meet in the local Cabelas parking lot or gun show and buy/sell a gun to another individual without any paperwork? Lots of guns on the books as sold to someone who hasn't actually had that gun for years, which is why the registration is largely an exercise in futility. It's nearly impossible to track, and it's not like that info allows the police to solve crimes.

[MBAtarga]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

This is what I don't get...you can buy an unfinished frame, get the other bits and put it all together yourself legally. However the finished product is an unregistered , untraceable and un numbered hand gun...how is that not illegal?

Laws.

[tevake]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Not an issue.
There are millions of "untraceable" firearms in this country, as there used to be no checks at all, an they are passed down from generation to generation.

Sure, buy a new one today and there is federal paperwork involved.

One used to be able to order rifles from the Sears catalog. No background checks, no age verification. Send the money, Sears sends the gun through the mail. Friends sell/trade with friends, dad gives his son his first .22, later his first 12-guage shotgun. "You want my go-cart? I'll trade for your 30-30!"

Not long ago, all normal everyday activity. And all of those are still out there, somewhere.

Sure there used to be a time like you discribed, and good times they were. but that was then and this is now.
Times and people have changed, leading to the increase of gun crimes and mass shootings of these times.
Society has decided to try to stem the tide of unlimited gun access in an effort to reduce these burgeoning crimes using guns.

No doubt there are allready lots of guns out there, lots of them kept safely out of harms way. But lots out on the streets and available to be used in mischief. If we let continued unlimited access to guns there will be many more out on the streets.
That is what is trying to be reduced. Apparently much to the chagrin of some gun enthusiast who were accustomed to things the way they were. And seem to want to resist the efforts to address these changing times.

In Green, anyone got a good link for home made RPGs?

Cheers Richard

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by tevake

Times and people have changed, leading to the increase of gun crimes and mass shootings of these times.

I'd like you to look up the actual statistics.

Don't take the word of some guy posting on the internet, or the latest bubble-head with a microphone on the news. Please look up the statistics of gun crimes over the last several years. Quite revealing.

If one lives in an urban area, they tend to associate guns with crime.
Those in rural areas use them as just another tool. This one protects their livestock from predators, and puts dinner on the table.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Not an issue.
There are millions of "untraceable" firearms in this country, as there used to be no checks at all, an they are passed down from generation to generation.

Sure, buy a new one today and there is federal paperwork involved.

One used to be able to order rifles from the Sears catalog. No background checks, no age verification. Send the money, Sears sends the gun through the mail. Friends sell/trade with friends, dad gives his son his first .22, later his first 12-guage shotgun. "You want my go-cart? I'll trade for your 30-30!"

Not long ago, all normal everyday activity. And all of those are still out there, somewhere.

Exactly...

[tevake]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

I'd like you to look up the actual statistics.

Don't take the word of some guy posting on the internet, or the latest bubble-head with a microphone on the news. Please look up the statistics of gun crimes over the last several years. Quite revealing.

If one lives in an urban area, they tend to associate guns with crime.
Those in rural areas use them as just another tool. This one protects their livestock from predators, and puts dinner on the table.

I have no problem with the use of fire arms as tools as you discribed or for sporting use, by responsible trained folks.

But a quick look at statistics are not comforting.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe

[tevake]

Even how we do in country is not pretty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States.

A large majority of the top twenty states for gun homicides are predominantly rural states, Ala, Wyo, Miss, Tenn, N M, etc.

I'm sure stats can be fount to support increasing the number of guns in The US. But I'll leave that to the NRA.

Cheers Richard

[tevake]

To the O P, Randy that is a nice looking piece you built there. And the mods from the standard Glock do sound like nice improvements, especially the grip angle.

Sorry to take your thread off into gun law/ safety discussions. The subject of unregulated home built guns leads me there.

I can understand your pride in putting together such a nice piece.

Cheers Richard

[HardDrive]

I really don't see the point. How is this better from simply buying a Glock?

[fred cook]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I really don't see the point. How is this better from simply buying a Glock?

For every part in a Glock pistol, there are a dozen or more alternatives. If one is cognizant enough, each part can be carefully selected to enhance the trigger pull weight, the trigger reset distance, the style, finish or length of the barrel and slide, etc. Therefore, for the same money spent, you will wind up with a pistol that is much more to your liking. The same thing can be done by taking even more money to a good gunsmith but, why let him have all the fun? Just for chuckles, I even built a Spencer repeating rifle once! It took a good while to scrounge all those parts up! Nice job, I like the finished product!

[fred cook]

Originally Posted by tevake

Even how we do in country is not pretty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States.

A large majority of the top twenty states for gun homicides are predominantly rural states, Ala, Wyo, Miss, Tenn, N M, etc.

I'm sure stats can be fount to support increasing the number of guns in The US. But I'll leave that to the NRA.

Cheers Richard

You mean places like Chicago, Baltimore and D.C.? Not exactly rural, areas run by libs with some of the most restrictive gun laws! I haven't looked up the numbers, but would bet that a bad weekend in Chicago kills more people than in a year in Georgia!