I daily drove my 87 that's turbocharged for a few months until I was able to get a DD.

Before that, I daily drove a 996.

Didn't Ronin drive his car everyday?

dudes are getting together all the time for things like this. they're probably too busy working on their cars with their buddies to be posting about it on here!...

Truth.

Hey that's me you're talking about!! SmileWavy

I didn't know squat about Porsches 4 years ago. I finally got to the point I could afford one, I now have two, and have been learning how to fix and modify it ever since.
AC up-grades, suspension, brakes, camshafts, engine mods, tuning a CIS and more all from advise on this forum. Had a local guy and member here offer to come help pull the engine because he had never worked on a 930 before. I work on the car after work in the evening so I didn't take him up on it. But it happened.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/923329-79-610-winter-projects-advise-needed.html

shug needs help, but not necessarily with his car. im quite convinced he does things like this thread here on the PP BBS strictly to illicit responses he can debate for his own entertainment. we are all here to be entertained, but not in such a sick fashion.

when I discussed "vetting" someone I was considering helping out I used the term "basket case". well shug would likely fit that description in our 1st phone conversation on the matter and I would not want much to do with him. with some folks there's just no helping out on any level...


pmax? you just called me a "pioneer"?? maybe I have to change my avatar saying....

And maybe get a Charles Ingalls Little House on the Prairie hat... ;)

Not getting the hate.

I wouldn't hesitate helping Sugar with his engine drop if he's anywhere close. Having said that, I did mine solo and would suggest he does as well.


Wow, that's a long time. Who else is left ?

The funny thing is that every time I go to help someone out, I get way more in return. I’m not even a fair mechanic. I just offer to lend a hand. The last person I helped out, 6 hour round trip, they told me to tell them what week I wanted for my family and I to stay at their beach house - it’s a nice house! Every time I offer a part for free, I seem to get something better back without asking. Karma’s a ***** :-)

I think the increased value of the cars has a lot to do with it. When I first joined the forum the cars were worth much less and it wasn't cost effective to pay a mechanic for simple jobs. With the increased values the "raised pinky" crowd has moved in :)

My closest Porsche friend brings his 912 over all the time because I have the facilities and he has the beer. This still happens and everyone wins.

The exception only proves the rule. The fact that you RARELY see a 30 year old aircooled car with 200k miles proves that these are mostly garage trophy cars. The number of Toyotas with 150k on the clock is a dime a dozen. Why? Because DD.

You are not reading what I said. I never said people don't drop engines. I've seen many pics of the guy inside the engine bay. I am saying the number of people going to someone else's house for pizza is very low.

No one has offered to come to my house b/c I've never asked. Any heavy lifting is going to be done by a professional. I don't have the space.

That said, I am the one who offers n00b car friends help with basic DIY stuff many times. At this point, I am more experienced than most people I meet. I am the one who knocks!

This makes a lot of sense. I actually outlined a similar premise in this thread a few years back. You will appreciate the sentiment

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/898302-has-your-911-become-garage-trophy-you-never-drive.html

One the rare day I meet an owner of air cooled, if they are new, they are almost always a finance guy who commutes & works long days and barely has time to do an oil change on their own car. And they DIY skill is limited, like mine. They will not be doing engine drops at strangers' houses. As I've said, it's a combination of proximity, skills, and availability.

You deserve a hat tip.
That is truly incredible generosity.
6 hours is unfathomable.
It did not even occur to me this this is even in the realm of reality.
It makes me reevaluate my premise, as it never occurred to me this is a thing.
Can you imagine driving 3 hours to go play tennis with someone, or to jam in a band room?
No, I only consider the immediate local area. You have a hell of an open mind.

I've offered to help lots of non-car friends explore DIY, as I am the "car guy" in my various circles. After my last 3 hobby cars, I now have more experience than almost anyone I know, and I've been urging various friends for years to give it a shot. Most people have been brainwashed into thinking cars are too complex to work on because they are "all computers now", which is a total myth. Start small: brake job, fluid change, brake bleed, headlight bulb change, tire rotation, etc. They can use my garage. I will help. Use anything from my now $5k tool collection. Most people talk, and few gather the courage to learn something new in life.

I haven't touched my 911 or the tech section in years...haven't read much of this thread. I knew NOTHING about 911s 2 decades ago...found Pelican ;).

A quick look at my tech section posts tells the story best....I don't have to...lived it.

Sugarwood....your buddy likes disco and races Lincoln Mark IVs...you rock too...but clueless at times too :).

Sug, you aren't hearing of "engine drop" parties because it is a relatively easy and quick procedure. As with putting it back in. Anyone with a set of jack stands and floor jack can drop the engine. One guy can do it. But an extra set of hands just makes balancing everything a bit easier. I need help with the electrical system. That's where I would buy the pizza and beer.

After taking Boyt911SC's engine class I can see where if you have all the parts and tools two or three guys with experience could tear an engine down and put it back together in an afternoon. True enthusiasts revel in doing sheit like that. My engine class had six students plus Tony and two who just dropped by. I am comfortable in saying I think If I said I wanted to put an engine together I would have three from the class show up no question to lend a hand. and I can tell you if any one of them posted and I saw it I would be there doing what I could. And I can tell you only one person from my class lives less than an hour from my house. Most are an hour and a half or more away.

There are times I've helped people working on cars as an extra hand.

When doing this it is for fun.

I also do not take responsibility when doing it, the owner is in charge of each step and process.

There is a difference between a job and a hobby, for some there aspects of working on cars that they consider fun, continually buying project cars may not be in their budget, but having a small group of enthusiasts that involve other enthusiasts in their work is a win-win situation.

The personalities of both sides have to be in place. Instead of "saving money", both sides need to see it as casual enjoyment.

tim, im in the south bay and am very busy getting my house ready to sell in order to get the F out of the bay area in march, but if you need a hand and meet my 73 mile radius rule;) I could prolly make some time to help you out. PM me or email thru pelican to discuss when you are ready.

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Yeah, that's kinda incredible.

Turning the tables around, that means the other party agreed to have him travel 6 hours to help them out on whatever the car needs.

I can't imagine imposing that on anyone or any friend for that matter, for anything which is not an emergency of sorts.

Call a local mechanic.

I'll tell ya who they are.... for a pizza and beer :D

For some, working on a particular project that appeals to them is like driving six hours to go hang out at a beach.

And they don't even have to buy the parts or the project.