Mars lander Insight

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

That's not very much money, as long as it came out of other people's pockets.

Look everyone, it only took 40 posts before Sammy realized that he can whine about NASA spending again! Probably made his week...

[Rickysa]

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Look everyone, it only took 40 posts before Sammy realized that he can whine about NASA spending again! Probably made his week...

That sounds a lot like something I'd expect to hear from a parasite who lives off of taxpayer's money and is trying to deflect attention away from the scam.
Does the shoe fit?

SQUIRREL!

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Fake news. That is just a picture of western Oklahoma. ..

Or Devon Island.



https://www.space.com/21455-mars-rat-curiosity-rover-drive.html

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

That sounds a lot like something I'd expect to hear from a parasite who lives off of taxpayer's money and is trying to deflect attention away from the scam.
Does the shoe fit?

SQUIRREL!

I pay plenty of taxes. I’m happy to pay my fair share towards furthering the human race, exploring and better understanding the world around us, and inspiring future generations to careers in STEM to make our world a better place. Don’t like NASA? Put your money where your mouth is and stop using the many daily items pioneered by NASA and then provided for commercial development.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

That sounds a lot like something I'd expect to hear from a parasite who lives off of taxpayer's money and is trying to deflect attention away from the scam.
Does the shoe fit?

SQUIRREL!

You'll be super happy to know that one of the primary sources of funding for NASA (John Culbertson) was taken down! All it took was an ultra-liberal woman to do it. I hope you're happy for that!

[GH85Carrera]

Back when I was in high school my 11th grade English and home room teacher was convinced NASA just took huge barrels of cash and dumped it in space. She thought we should spend it on helping the poor.

I was lucky enough to have a dad in the US Air Force. We lived on base, (Maxwell AFB) and I had access to the Air War College library. They had to escort me through the classified area to get to the term papers written by the students. The good old Dewey Decimal System worked and I found a paper on the benefits of NASA in general and in particular the moon race. It was an inch and half thick. I had access to the copier, and I copied the entire paper. I took it to school after reading it. I plopped it on my teachers desk, and told her she has homework. Read that paper, and tell me NASA is a waist of money. She actually read it, and she actually changed her mind. I was amazed.

Even back then entire new ways of making things and the push to make circuit boards, and chips had to be invented. NASA research was instrumental.

One of the goals was the moon buggy. They quickly realized that a compass is useless, so unless they stayed withing a line of sight the could get easily get lost. They (NASA) tasked a team at MIT to make a system to keep track of movement and get them back to the spacecraft. They invented from scratch the Internal Measurement Unit or IMU. It was a large expensive and complex system, but it worked perfectly.

Every smart phone has one built into it. That is how your phone knows which way is up. Coupled to another thing NASA was part of, the GPS you can get around with ease using a cell phone. IMUs are tiny now, and dirt cheap, like a GPS chip.

[flipper35]

So it is NASA's fault we have these stupid smart phones!

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by flipper35

So it is NASA's fault we have these stupid smart phones!

Nope, that is on the person that buys them. You CAN still get flip phones. Phones only, not smart phones. I can't fathom why, but it is an option!

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I pay plenty of taxes. I’m happy to pay my fair share towards furthering the human race, exploring and better understanding the world around us, and inspiring future generations to careers in STEM to make our world a better place. Don’t like NASA? Put your money where your mouth is and stop using the many daily items pioneered by NASA and then provided for commercial development.

Joe Izuzu over-reacted because I struck a nerve in a previous thread and you dogpile like a SJW, doesn't matter if you don't know what the **** it's about.


Here's the reader's digest version, if you care to do a search you'll see lots more:

I've stated the fact previously that NASA was born out of the cold war and was a thinly disguised military spending program at a time when the public was crying for military spending cuts.
Keep in mind that my father started working at white sands missile range at the age of 18 in the pneumatic section of the Missile Bourne guidance and Control Group (MBG&C) five years before NASA was created.

Congress and Eisenhower were worried about the nuke threat from the soviets.
They knew the soviet bombers sucked, but when the soviets started developing ICBMs our gubmint panicked.

They created NASA and packaged the $multi-billion project as a "space exploration" adventure. And the public bought it hook line and sinker.

Hey who wouldn't like to "further the human race, explore and better understand the world around us, and inspire future generations"?
Makes ya All fuzzy doesn't it? That's an awful lot of emotion there.

But we were behind the soviets, and NASA didn't have enough funding to catch up and congress and kennedy were scared to spend $billions on more military, at the time that wasn't a popular thing to do.

So they pulled off the greatest spin in history.
They convinced the gullible public that we needed to develop better ICBMs so we could ...... wait for it ..... GO TO THE MOON!!!!!!!

it was a lie designed to make people FEEL GOOD about spending $billions on nukes.

BTW I was never against the military spending, I was against the lie.
We needed good nukes and my father invented an important part of the minuteman II, Poseidon, Polaris, minuteman II and MX missiles.
He was a rocket scientist and my son is possibly wallering in his woodsteps (young Frankenstein, funny).




So NASA, disguised as a "space exploration" public agency, developed military weapons. Cool.
Didja know that many of the early space shuttle missions were classified military missions, top secret?
But once they were done the shuttle because a supply taxi to the ISS. Most of the later missions were simply supply runs to the ISS. Talk about cost effective!!!!

But like ALL gubmint agencies, NASA didn't go away when it's work was done and the lie continued. So did the bills.

They stopped the space shuttles, they stopped the unmanned rockets, they stopped the space stuff.
But we kept spending nearly $20 billion a year on what had evolved into a welfare system for engineers.
They weren't really doing anything except hiding behind the curtain and spending money.
Which is why a $10 million dollar probe costs $10 billion. they have to justify their cost somehow.

If NASA is going to continue military weapons development, then make it a branch of the military like it is supposed to be.
And if they want to make it really be a public space agency, then lets start funding it correctly and stop the waste.
I'll support either and pay my fair share without complaining as long as it's not a lie.



So, since you assumed I hate NASA (which isn't true), I'll play along.

Please tell me about "the many daily items pioneered by NASA and then provided for commercial development" that I'm supposed to stop using.
Let's talk about these non-military products that NASA has developed.
Products and items that we use in our daily lives that were developed by NASA and NOT developed by private corporations like Rockwell, rocketdyne, Boeing, IBM etc.

And once we've identified these items we'll put a price tag on them to see how much we paid for them.
That should be interesting.
And if you say tang I swear I'll reach right through the screen ...

But hey, maybe the warm fuzzy feeling is worth the current charade to people. Great. They can pay for it.

How about we have a box on the 1040 form so that when we do our taxes (those of us that do) we can decide how much extra of our money NASA gets VOLUNTARILY.
Make all NASA funding voluntary. heck we could even make NASA contributions tax-deductable if that would help.


I'd love to see how much money people would voluntarily give NASA if it came right out of their own pockets.

How much do you think they would end up with per year,
$20 billion?
$10 billion?
$ 1 million?




Military space shuttle missions:

24 January 1985
First classified Department of Defense (DoD) mission
Magnum satellite deployment


3 October 1985
Second classified DoD mission
Defense Satellite Communications System satellite deployment


2 December 1988
Third classified DoD mission
Lacrosse 1 deployment

8 August 1989
Fourth classified DoD mission
Satellite Data System deployment


22 November 1989
Fifth classified DoD mission
Deployment of Magnum


28 February 1990
Sixth classified DoD mission
Misty reconnaissance satellite deployment


15 November 1990
Seventh classified DoD mission
Likely SDS2-2 deployed


28 April 1991
First unclassified DoD mission
Military science experiments


2 December 1992
Partially classified 10th and final DoD mission
Likely deployment of SDS2 satellite

[onewhippedpuppy]

Here, let me Google that for you.

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html

Btw Sammy, regardless of where your dad worked you’ve only scratched the surface of what NASA does with less than 1% of the federal budget. And missed the fact that their innovations become public information that industry can develop into products. Just their contributions to commercial aerospace are worth the small fraction of our budget that they consume.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

The winds of Mars

[911boost]

OK that is cool.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

The winds of Mars

Do you think it's worth the money you paid? Do you think it's worth the money *sammyg2* paid???

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Do you think it's worth the money you paid? Do you think it's worth the money *sammyg2* paid???

We won't know that until the data are evaluated.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Do you think it's worth the money you paid? Do you think it's worth the money *sammyg2* paid???

It's worth the money I paid just to see Sammy act like a lil' b**ch, again.

[KFC911]

NASA's next mission: If a tree falls in the forest when no one is around does it....
cost eleventy billion $ to find out...or more? .

$omebody $end $ammy $ome Tang

Cool stuff....

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Do you think it's worth the money you paid? Do you think it's worth the money *sammyg2* paid???

My science background is one my greatest innate choices; this lander is definitely worthy of my tax dollars.

[onewhippedpuppy]

That’s awesome Shaun, thanks for sharing.

I really have trouble even grasping how people don’t see the value in understanding the world around us. That sort of intentional ignorance just doesn’t register with me.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

That’s awesome Shaun, thanks for sharing.

I really have trouble even grasping how people don’t see the value in understanding the world around us. That sort of intentional ignorance just doesn’t register with me.

For one thing, Marswind is not the world around us.