An understatement.

Why stoop? Take the high road. I like to gather information on people. Easy to do. On one people search site there is the "has worked at..." section. A little LinkedIn after that and you probably know where they work. I've gone through the neighbor's trash and culled out plenty on info. Very common when lawyers are involved with anything to have a PD do that.

So what do you do with said info? When you feel like you have the position, you simply say, "Hey, leaving your trash in front of my house, is that the sort of behavior that goes on at your company, xxxxx Enterprises? What about your mom's house on xxxxx Street? Do they do that there to? BTW, did you get a good rate on your auto loan with XXX Finance? Thinking about getting another car even though it would add to the parking problem."

911....I'd like to report a trash can in my "space" :)

This place is a hoot...

they in in the street? i thought all bets are off if it is in the street?

like the neighbor could park a car there, no? my neighbor puts them kinda in my spot. its where i would put mine if they dont beat me there. i get it..they live in the roundest portion of our culdesac..by putting them on my side, the truck can reach them easier.

i doesnt bother me..i just encroach into my driveway space a bit with mine and leave room for my wife to come thru hot and not destroy a can.

and leaves..i kinda think once leaves come off a tree, they are everybodies business..

i HATE leaves.

Leaves are not everyone's business. They come from both private property trees and city/county property. Unless you're rural, then this doesn't apply. You're supposed to take care of debris in front of your house. People have forgotten that.

However, when the neighbor or his gardener blow their leaves onto your property, game on. Last time that happened to me I went out and took pics of the gardener's truck and comment that I couldn't see his city license displayed. Problem solved.

If all the cans are the same, just put your cans in front of the neighbor's house. Now there are cans in front of your house, and cans in front of the neighbor's house.

It's a little farther to walk, but the bottom line is you both only have one set of cans in front of each house.

i'm not not talking playing Fall Leaves soccer where you kick them back and forth between yards.

i blow mine (and i have no trees) in a pile and put it in a green bin and roll that bin over in front of Helen's house. i'm talking..my neighbors trees puking into my yard.. i kid you not, the pervailing winds clean my neighbors yard and deposits into mine. it is awful, but i have nothing i can complain about.

911? i have unauthorized leaves in my yard!

While that's true let me tell you about my experience with that. There was a large tree that hung over my fence and just about over the pool on a house I owned in the '80's. Many times during high winds that tree would fill my pool. One time a branch broke off and landed slap in my pool. I went over the fence and cut the tree down right to the top of the fence while the wife watched me from the window. They were renters and didn't seem to care but I would have done that if the owner lived there.

I did speak up about it once or 2wice asking them to contact the landlord. I guess I did him a favor, BUT, I left all the debris in their yard and went back over the fence.

So you made a minimum effort to deal with it properly, then trespassed and destroyed your neighbours property? Here you would get arrested for that.

Call the police but not 9-1-1 and tell them you're having problems with your neighbor. You spoken to him several times about the issue but it has not been resolved and you're worried that it will escalate to a physical situation which you don't want to happen. Explain that you realize no laws are being broken but the guy is just being an *******. You're making a complaint to go on the record if something were to ever happen.

If they tell you they can't help you ask them who you should talk to. Also tell them you posted the situation on PPOT and got a bunch stupid replies and you don't want to follow the advice given as you may in up in jail. ;)

Just back over their trash cans, you have a truck don't you?

Here, anything hanging over your side of the fence, you are legally free to deal with as you see fit.

Seems to me it's getting down to being only one solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_z4IuxAqpE

You asked for advice and got plenty, including a lot that could cause you problems. I didn't realize you knew in advance what the police would say or do. Or it was suggested you ask the waste management company or city resources, but I guess that didn't register, either. Sorry for trying to help- I don't know what the police would say, but I guess you don't want to spend a few minutes asking them on the phone to find out. So please forgive me. I look forward to seeing how escalation works out for you.

Calling the police would be worse than doing nothing. "Sorry to try to help," that sounds totally sincere.
No, what he did is completely legal in California. Probably legal in Canada too. Maybe going in the other yard is a bit borderline, but just a bit.

Trees hanging over the property line can be cut back to the property line. When the chunk fell in his pool, he could, and perhaps should, have made a big deal about it, the person who owns the property the tree stands on is 100% liable for the damages.

I'm still thinking that over-reaction and escalation are the only options ;)


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You right...until the last sentence. Unless the tree was dead, etc. and the neighbor was negligent in not removing it. A neighbor's healthy tree falls on your property....that's on you and your insurance....not him.

Who dumped a whole truck-load of fizzies into the swim-meet?
Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the alumni dinner?
Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode.

Does it make any noise?

That is the answer.

Simple. like the Jitterbug...

Maybe build this.

We all know you have the tools and the skills to use em.

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Steve Carlton raises a valid point, find out what you can do that do without getting in trouble.

Personally I would recommend that until you know the above, just religiously put them back each time.

Motivation; the way to solve people doing things is make your problem their problem.

But there is much I do not know to try to come up with that.

OK, inspiration from the concrete thread.

After garbage collected, make their cans 60# heavier with a bag of fast-set......

Put a badger in each can.

BS, he said he cut the tree "right down to the fence" that is either a very poor description of pruning the tree back to the fence line from his side, which would most easily be done from his side, or a crystal clear description of vertically pruning the tree down to the fence line, which would be most easily accomplished from the neighbours side. And borderline, to go on another's property and cut their tree without ever having even attempted a communication? Trespassing a the very least.

Wrong. My dad had a tree fall over into the neighbors yard and into the fence. His homeowners ins took care of the fence damage and all the removal. Should it have stayed in his yard, not a dime.

I PM'd gordener and clarified that I cut the tree to a 6' stump. It would have been a civil matter at best. The sort of minor BS I don't much care about. If in fact the owner dragged me into court, the judge would have slapped my wrist and then slapped the prosecutor. We have so much crime in SoCal that look171's statement about the cops laughing is only in error so far to say they wouldn't even show up. You can't get a cop here for a traffic accident unless a) there is severe damage and cars won't move, b) an injury, or c) damage to public property. You don't answer yes to one of those, you're on your own.

I've seen people get hysteric over trees. But at the very least, they have to hire an attorney.

is this in a culdesack or a straight line street?

Is everyone street-parked or are there very few cars in the street?

Is there a possibility that WM asked for the cans to be located together for speed of service?

Give us some pics.


If you do any kind of anger-based escalation you will absolutely lose, in ways you haven't even thought about yet.

Light hearted comedy-style escalation might work, but it's a coin flip.

The neighbors have changed and you still have problems

Maybe the neighbors aren't the problem here ???? ;)

What ever happened to Cashflyer? Too bad he doesn't live closer.....his M1078 would come in handy.

Haul off.....or just run over and annihilate altogether......

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NY isn’t like that. If it falls on your property it’s your problem.

Well....I don't know how to respond Milt. I am not wrong though....don't know how many exact opposite experiences I've been privy to over the years...a bunch. What your dad's insurance covered is unheard of here, and other states. If a tree falls, and doesn't hit an insured structure (house)...no insurance I've known will cover that tree removal, and will NEVER pay for a neighbor's damage...not here. We have LOTS of storms, trees down all the time, and that's just the way it is...and always has been. So I'm confused...

Yep...

Yes, it is legal in California, probably legal in Canada to cut tree hanging over the property line. Just because you don't like it, does not make it illegal.

Don't quite get the difference between this
and this

How many anti anxiety/depressants are you on?

There would be blood on the moon if this shiet happened in Ohio.

Make those containers vaporize, even if you take a half day off work to dump somewhere and deal with the fallout later. Especially if the Mrs talked to them.

I need my nitroglycerin pills just from reading this. I mean, if I needed them.

Nut up and stir stuff up big time. THEY will not change.

I got so bored I looked up trash regulations:D

In the city of Richmond Va (the last city I lived in), they are only concerned with placement and removal times of the trash cans off city property (streets/sidewalks). They do not mention where on the street/sidewalk it can be placed.


Look is from somewhere from Ca? right? so I googled LA-
Los Angeles:

Containers must be placed at the curb by 6:00a.m. on the day of collection and removed no later than 8:00p.m. on the day of collection. On collection day all containers should be placed with the handles facing the house with at least 3 feet separating the bins and any other object at the curb.

(no mention of which house)- but San Diego is different, they mention "your" home-

San Diego:

Set the authorized container on the street or alley, wheels against the curb and with the handle facing your home.

...Probably meant only for orientation purposes so the truck can latch onto it, but could be interpreted literally as the "owner's "home

Then there were these 2 FAQS- I thought these were interesting. The first addresses "cans that have gone missing" with the word "stolen". uh oh.... which puts the damper on the idea of making them disapear.

The second one is interesting too: Once the can is on city property... The owner loses some control over the can. This lack of control might not bode well for Look once the cans hit city property.

Los Angeles FAQ:

21. Question: What happens when a trash or recycling container gets stolen?
Answer: In order to have City-provided service, residents must have a container that is capable of being
collected by the waste vehicles’ automated arms and flippers. If a container is stolen, the resident needs
to immediately obtain a replacement container in order to resume waste collection services. The only
assessed cost to the resident is for black trash containers; there is no cost for the collection and disposal
of waste for eligible households.
22. Question: How can I stop my neighbor from using my trash, recycling, or greenery container?
Answer: Once the container is at the curb for collection, you cannot stop neighbors from inserting waste
into your container. We encourage the occasional overflow to be distributed to nearby containers for
safe and litter free waste collection which sometimes results from overfilled containers.



The big issue all three towns had with refuse was the idea that the cities do not want the cans stored on city property (steets/ sidewalks) outside the pickup window. They want the cans placed on private property out of sight, however, with these different wordings in mind on how the can is to be placed, it might be worthwhile to actually look up the local rules on the net. It only took a minute or two and could give clarification on how strong of a legal arm Look's situation is.

Personally, I like the idea of putting "my" can in front of "their" house the best if there is no legal requirement that the trash can be placed in front of the owner's home, however, I would also take the time to address the neighbors directly, not asking them to discontinue doing it for the umpteenth time, but instead walking up to their door and asking: "Hey, we've asked you to not put the trash in front of the house. Is there a reason why you continue to do so?"

Sounds smart ass, but it gives them the opportunity to explain their actions. There might be a legitimate reason. It might even lead to some productive discussion. Perhaps not.

Once you get that answer, you'll also have a better idea of where to go. If that doesn't work, I'd go to trash can placement of my can in the street in front of their yard (assuming there is no legal recourse). It that doesn't work IED!!!:D

In Michigan, it would be an 'act of god' thing unless the insurance business has changed.

Neighbor is not liable for neighbor's tree.
Only the affected home-owner is responsible for his/her own property.
'Protect yourself' is the law.

I once had one of my neighbor's trashy trees which would most likely have taken out my roof or all winter heating power to the entire neighborhood.
She ignored my pleadings for years.
I paid the half batty old lady half or most of it to get it taken care of.
Good for all.
Would have cost me much more for court orders bs.
Later I found out her son was dating the sister of a tree company owner and that option was available all along.
I had shoveled her walk taken pies and took care of her for most a decade.

Neighbors can suk sometimes.

Guy across the street from me planted his mailbox deadnutz center at the bottom of my sloped driveway which in most cases you gotta back down to get out of. For the four or five days of our typical summer it’s not a promble.

So naturlly it got knocked over just like I told him it would the day after he planted it.

Good!, I was thinking but only temporarily.

He goes and puts it right back up in the same bullzie spot.

What does your neighbor do for a living? Would it hurt his business to be known publicly as an azzhat? You could post a YouTube video of his azzhatery and have the Pelican army click it into infamy.

I am on a very tiny small forum with him. He said every time he logs in here hours of his life is wasted, hours he needs. So he has a self imposed ban on looking in here.

He should use my tactics, I log in, look around here, then look in parf and see people who spend their entire day on here, get disgusted and log off all day. :D

Since I know what the answer is on calling cops here in busy LA, I thought what the hell, called the police station 20 min ago. Here's the answer.

Me: Neighbor put all three of their trashcans for trash collection in front of my house leaving their sidewalk completely empty free of city trash can. Is there anything you can do or advice I do so they can put the cans back in front of their house? Any possible way to send an officer to talk with them when time allows?

Officer: Sir, your neighbor isn't doing anything illegal, or harmful to anyone. We will not send the police officer to your home. Its a civil matter between you and them. I suggest you talk to them and solve the issue. Is there anything else I can help you with? Hung up (more then likely called my a dub ass)