Need ideas to keep people off my grass

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by tevake

If you don't want to add to the paved width, you could install some of this paving grid material. Once it settled in the grass will still look pretty nice and the grid will keep wheels from digging into the lawn

[dad911]

Originally Posted by tevake

The drive does narrow down extremely there for larger vehicles., not surprising that some end up on the grass.

If you don't want to add to the paved width, you could install some of this paving grid material. Once it settled in the grass will still look pretty nice and the grid will keep wheels from digging into the lawn


https://www.agriculturesolutions.com/agtec-geocell-ground-grid-paver-2-inch-8-4ft-x-27-4ft?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsNrfoOiu3wIVjCSGCh3o9QFwEAQY BCABEgIJPvD_BwE

Cheers Richard

Damn good idea. I've used similar products, yet didn't think of it here........

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by tevake

The drive does narrow down extremely there for larger vehicles., not surprising that some end up on the grass.

If you don't want to add to the paved width, you could install some of this paving grid material. Once it settled in the grass will still look pretty nice and the grid will keep wheels from digging into the lawn


https://www.agriculturesolutions.com/agtec-geocell-ground-grid-paver-2-inch-8-4ft-x-27-4ft?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsNrfoOiu3wIVjCSGCh3o9QFwEAQY BCABEgIJPvD_BwE

Cheers Richard

Won't work unless the ground is frozen and then you don't have a problem anyway. The sharp edges will be pushed into the soil below. Sure, the filled in the grid will provide a soft, spread out cushion, but if the ground below is soft, then the whole shebang will sink under the load of a truck tire. Now, putting that over a 1' base of coarse gravel or chipped granite (crusher run) will greatly improve the system. But if you were to do that, it would be sufficient in itself.

The instructions on that site also say to use compacted gravel or it would "quicksand," whatever they mean by that. It also says, "...for light traffic areas." I'd pass on this stuff. Sorry tevake.

The good side of that grid is that it looks like it would support growth of some kind of ground cover. Something short and tight as any runners will be cut off between the tire and the upper edges.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Won't work unless the ground is frozen and then you don't have a problem anyway. The sharp edges will be pushed into the soil below. Sure, the filled in the grid will provide a soft, spread out cushion, but if the ground below is soft, then the whole shebang will sink under the load of a truck tire. Now, putting that over a 1' base of coarse gravel or chipped granite (crusher run) will greatly improve the system. But if you were to do that, it would be sufficient in itself.

The instructions on that site also say to use compacted gravel or it would "quicksand," whatever they mean by that. It also says, "...for light traffic areas." I'd pass on this stuff. Sorry tevake.

The good side of that grid is that it looks like it would support growth of some kind of ground cover. Something short and tight as any runners will be cut off between the tire and the upper edges.

To support the grid just drive a series of concrete piers down to bedrock. ...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

To support the grid just drive a series of concrete piers down to bedrock. ...

I'm not intending to be overly critical but your suggestion would seem to provide some 'hard' spots w/o meaningful support between.

I suspect that since this grid is made of plastic that it might just fold over and collapse under the weight of a tire. Remember that the footprint or contact patch of a tire is generally 1/4th, give or take, of the GVW. That could easily be a ton which roughly and easily would be over 100# per sq in, concentrated on a little more than a sq ft..

If the fill is compacted then the system becomes more stable in the center. But what about the edge? The one nearest the asphalt? Sorry, I don't see this as a viable solution.

Y(his)MMV.

(edit): I actually like their solid paver product better.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm not intending to be overly critical but your suggestion would seem to provide some 'hard' spots w/o meaningful support between.

I suspect that since this grid is made of plastic that it might just fold over and collapse under the weight of a tire. Remember that the footprint or contact patch of a tire is generally 1/4th, give or take, of the GVW. That could easily be a ton which roughly and easily would be over 100# per sq in, concentrated on a little more than a sq ft..

If the fill is compacted then the system becomes more stable in the center. But what about the edge? The one nearest the asphalt? Sorry, I don't see this as a viable solution.

Y(his)MMV.

Minor technical problem....

[tevake]

I've seen this sort of material used around RV parks in areas that get occasional traffic with success.
I'm not sure what sort of grid was used or if it may require some underlayment as Zeke mentioned. Then some topsoil to support grass growth.
That seems to be the desire, to keep grass there, yet keep it from from getting torn up by occasional traffic.

Dang, just when I thought I'd found a winner too.
It may not be easy, but I think it can be made to work.

Cheers Richard

[Deschodt]

Not helpful, but you have a hell of a nice driveway... Congrats, makes me wanna move where land is cheaper ! Personally I'd make a small race track out of it ;-)

[Baz]

Introducing a new material, such as the product Richard suggested, will only serve as a visual distraction.

I'm not the only one here with design skills, I know.

But over the years I have acquired a bit of skill and talent at knowing how best to resolve issues like this.

Those who have mentioned simply widening the current asphalt drive at that place where the vehicles need more room are spot on.

BTW, the reason boulders is not a good idea is (as I stated upstream in the thread) when vehicles hit them (and they will) you will be left with another mess to fix. Boulders moved out of position....broken.....pieces mashed into the pavement and surrounding ground......and you'll still have ruts.

Sorry to be so blunt about it - but it is what it is.....

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Baz

Introducing a new material, such as the product Richard suggested, will only serve as a visual distraction.

I'm not the only one here with design skills, I know.

How about a small pond in that corner of the drive... with alligators

[RSBob]

Take up the lawn and plant barberry shrubs. They can grow 4’x4’ and have nice foliage spring thru fall. They are semi drought tolerant after the first year. A very good looking natural barrier and far less expensive than many hardscape alternatives.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Aerkuld

Something along these lines?

Yer gonna need a corner worker too!

Anyone else see the "grassy knoll"?......hmmm

That dawg is very well trained too imo...stay means STAY...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Baz

Introducing a new material, such as the product Richard suggested, will only serve as a visual distraction.

I'm not the only one here with design skills, I know.

But over the years I have acquired a bit of skill and talent at knowing how best to resolve issues like this.

Those who have mentioned simply widening the current asphalt drive at that place where the vehicles need more room are spot on.

BTW, the reason boulders is not a good idea is (as I stated upstream in the thread) when vehicles hit them (and they will) you will be left with another mess to fix. Boulders moved out of position....broken.....pieces mashed into the pavement and surrounding ground......and you'll still have ruts.

Sorry to be so blunt about it - but it is what it is.....

He said he didn't want to move sprinkler heads. More asphalt is a logical solution but I think the OP is looking for something down and dirty, as well as simple as pie.

[Zeke]

Park a new GT3 on that corner. Problem solved.

[dad911]

when a delivery is expected, drop a box of roofing nails. Pick up with magnet after.....

[willtel]

Originally Posted by Zeke

He said he didn't want to move sprinkler heads. More asphalt is a logical solution but I think the OP is looking for something down and dirty, as well as simple as pie.

I can move the irrigation if needed. I've done it before and it isn't too difficult but of course it tears the grass up.

One other issue with adding asphalt is getting someone to do it. I haven't found anyone that will come out for small patches and I'm not sure I'm ready to redo the whole driveway. I don't even want to think about what that will cost.

[greglepore]

I would add hard surface, not asphalt. Diy a crushed stone bed and some cast pavers or cobbles. It would look great and solve the issue.

[MBAtarga]

Another solution - BAMBOO!!!! Ask Vash - he knows all about it...

[willtel]

Originally Posted by MBAtarga

Another solution - BAMBOO!!!! Ask Vash - he knows all about it...

I've got plenty.

All that tall fuzzy looking stuff on the right here is bamboo.

Grass - 1st cut of 2018 by willtel, on Flickr

And all the stuff on the left and the right here behind the fence. When I moved in I cut about 70 stalks down that were growing inside the fence. It was a mess.

Grass by willtel, on Flickr

[wdfifteen]

fill rids?om lumbered lielessu/