Interesting Ad for a ‘72 911T on PP

[daepp]

The claim is for a numbers matching, concours quality 1972 Japanese import 911T.

But it’s carbureted. Perhaps I’m mistaken but I thought they all had MFI by then. The US models certainly did.

Then I notice the spare tire doesn’t look correct. For a concours $129K car?? A full nut and bolt restoration?

Then I notice the COA actual contains the words “Numbers Matching” - WTH? Can that be correct? I have a numbers matching early 911, but it certainly does not SAY that?

Just curious...

http://https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1008850-1972-porsche-911-t-full-nut-bolt-restoration-2-4l-light-yellow-concourse-quality.html

[WPOZZZ]

Did PCNA ever put the term, Matching Numbers, on the COA?

EDIT: Found some with the term.

[daepp]

From the ad:

[Baz]

FWIW, my Italian delivery '73 911T had factory twin Zeniths on it's 2.4. It was a 98% original car too...even had the twin front batteries and original spare tire and wood support inside the trunk felt. And the original wheels.

[Baz]

[daepp]

So maybe just US spec 72s has MFI.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by daepp

So maybe just US spec 72s has MFI.

Correct. Only U.S. '72 T's had MFI in an effort to meet our emissions requirements. There are plenty of references on this, from the Red Book to Bruce Anderson's 911 buyers' guides and so forth.

I do believe, however, that all '72's still had the small tank (60L) and full sized spare. I could be wrong on that, though, and they might have had the 80L either standard or as an option.

[dan79brooklyn]

Japanese registration year is not necessarily the build year. Check the VIN.

[GH85Carrera]

I was under the impression that numbers matching is mostly a US car production thing. The heads, water pump, generator, and so on all have date stamps on them and the drive train and transmission all have date stamps and numbers to prove the same era of manufacture. Porsche 911s certainly have engine numbers and transmission and chassis numbers that the car was sold with when new. But the term "number matching" is a total misnomer for most European cars.

Is that that correct?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I was under the impression that numbers matching is mostly a US car production thing. The heads, water pump, generator, and so on all have date stamps on them and the drive train and transmission all have date stamps and numbers to prove the same era of manufacture. Porsche 911s certainly have engine numbers and transmission and chassis numbers that the car was sold with when new. But the term "number matching" is a total misnomer for most European cars.

Is that that correct?

There are Chassis numbers and there are engine numbers. Each denotes the number of each built.

There were roughly 2200 911S's built each year from 68 through 73. Of which 1500 or so were Coupes and 700 or so Targa's..Coupes and Targas each have their own individual serial number range chassis. Engines were for the number of engines built in that configuration, thus the up tp 2200 Sn.

Thus you could have Coupe chassis number 1500 and engine number 2200. One good indicator is to compare how high the chassis number is vs how high the engine number to see if it is the original engine. They would not have put engine number 10 in chassis number 1500. But if you had chassis number 1500 and engine number 2190 it would be an almost certainty that it is the original engine.

[speeder]

Carbs are correct for ROW car, (already cleared up), and Porsche has started putting "matching numbers" on COAs because of a change in how they print them. You need to provide them w the numbers on the engine and transmission in advance and they then verify whether they match the chassis number.

When they told you first what the correct numbers were for your VIN, it was too easy for counterfeiters to simply stamp those numbers on a transmission or engine. This way works better.

[pwd72s]

What? You mean their are people out there who would tamper with Porsche VINs?

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Good luck to anybody considering this car.

[wildthing]

I wish it was still 2011, but even then this may have been a $50K car.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

What? You mean their are people out there who would tamper with Porsche VINs?

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Good luck to anybody considering this car.

There are people out there who would and will scam and counterfeit anything for a lot less $$ that what is involved w collector cars. It is not an issue exclusive to Porsches or even cars, remotely.

[seafeye]

My old 1972 911T was considered a 911TV. Had zenith carbs and a 4 speed transmission. Sold new in Germany.

[porsche tech]

'72 and '77 were IMO the 2 worst years for the 911. '72 mechanical injection with injection pump wear and plastic throttle stack wear and '77 with thermal reactors baking everything in sight. Carbs on a '72 would be the best thing you could do for it (again IMO).

[Hawkeye's-911T]

No big deal, but I can't get the link to work. ???

Cheers
JB

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by speeder

There are people out there who would and will scam and counterfeit anything for a lot less $$ that what is involved w collector cars. It is not an issue exclusive to Porsches or even cars, remotely.

He was kidding but he goofed the "dark green" font.

The issue remaining is that of the tire. I'd like to believe that that compact spare is correct but all I can offer is that my Euro delivered '71 S (exported years ago) had a full size date matching Fuchs. I think it still had a Pirelli Centurado (dog bone) on it. At the time in '71 alloy rims needed tubes. That would not support a steelie with a compact. IDK, really.

[javadog]

My US delivered 72T had a full size spare. Based on the lack of any way to secure that particular tire in the trunk, my guess would be that is not the original spare for that car. The car looks good though.

[speeder]

The tire is wrong for the car. Big deal, get the right one.

A bigger deal is that you would have to really like that yellow. I could not look at it every day for years, it belongs on a VW Beetle.