The History behind Marijuana / Hemp

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by fintstone

So you still really cannot make your case...and fall back on posting about me vice the topic?

Folks keep bringing this topic back to OT...but seem unable to bring any better argument. Studies show that one can expect about a 5 point loss of IQ if they smoked MJ heavily as a youngster...I wonder if that is why logic/debate skills of those advocating legalizing recreational marijuana seem so poor?

You have never exhibited interest in honest debate.

I used to think you just enjoyed being a contrarian because you got some jollies out of pushing peoples buttons but over the years it has become clear that you approach everything as purely binary and lack any ability to understand or process nuance.

Therefore it's an utter waste of time for anyone to engage you to make a case.

You reject it before you hear it.

Thats not logic/debate skills, in fact it's the opposite, it's easy/lazy and frankly about as useful as......

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by KC911

Fint....I ain't lookin' back like Seger...

You've changed your argumemt to "on base" or other bs....everyone chuckled.

Teens that are in the AF drink beer off base....always have, always will.

....dammmmmmit.....I'm gone

Nope...I have not changed one bit. In fact, I cut and pasted that out of our most recent argument on the topic.

Obviously my remark "cars are stopped regularly at the gates for random search" recognizes the ability for personnel to leave the base (and then return). As stated, few are stupid enough to take the risk. Especially since many must be available for immediate recall (within 30 min). Hard to sober up and get to work in such a short time.

While your claims of partying with underage airmen may be accurate, I have not (in over 40 years service). The reason may simply be the crowds we hung out with. Most military members I have been exposed to were quite cognizant of the law and avoided breaking them. Especially laws prosecuted so harshly. Those that routinely break the laws get caught...and kicked out (as is appropriate). The military expects personnel to follow lawful orders/the law and has little tolerance for those that do not.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

You have never exhibited interest in honest debate.

I used to think you just enjoyed being a contrarian because you got some jollies out of pushing peoples buttons but over the years it has become clear that you approach everything as purely binary and lack any ability to understand or process nuance.

Therefore it's an utter waste of time for anyone to engage you to make a case.

You reject it before you hear it.

Thats not logic/debate skills, in fact it's the opposite, it's easy/lazy and frankly about as useful as...…..

Obviously when one discuses a binary question (legalize recreational marijuana...or not), the argument for or against must be binary (yes or no). I find it odd that poor rationale is called nuance. I could make the case that your failure to embrace my position similarly derives from your lack of any ability to understand or process nuance. But that is really not an intelligent argument (it is easy/lazy and not very useful).

Sounds like a cop-out to me. Make your case or refute mine.

[stomachmonkey]

[fintstone]

As expected, legalization means more supply for/sold to kids:
https://mjbizdaily.com/oregon-marijuana-retailers-busted-underage-sales-sting/

[KFC911]

Our recent exchanges were at least 50 pages in mebbe . Guys in the military, including the AF drink illegally....every damn week somewhere. That's all I've ever said....you'd end their AF career

You win....I don't have the IQ for this....that's for damn sure

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

My mistake.

I thought you were old enough to remember prohibition.

Ok. Lets talk about prohibition. Prohibition (alcohol) was very successful if you consider reducing alcohol consumption was the goal (which I assume most would).

What is your point?

[fintstone]

Girl, 9, unknowingly hands out THC-laced candy to classmates, school s

Which of these gummi bears is pot infused? Can you tell? Can your kid?



The one on the left.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Helix8

"Studies show that one can expect about a 5 point loss of IQ if they smoked MJ heavily as a youngster..." what a fantastic statement

In the effort to be more "nuanced"...I will address your statement in more detail. Here is a simply written article that discusses a study showing exactly that:

Study Shows Heavy Adolescent Pot Use Permanently Lowers IQ
https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2015/02/10/new-study-shows-smoking-pot-permanently-lowers-iq

Travis Bradberry

Marijuana smokers have long been characterized as dimwitted and slow. They tend to shrug off these stereotypes as artifacts of how they are when they're on the drug. If you've ever had the misfortune of enduring a pot smoker who takes you through the "beneficial" effects of marijuana on the brain, then you've likely wondered if the stereotype is true. As it turns out, it is.

A study more than thirty years in the making found that smoking marijuana permanently lowers intelligence, or IQ. Frequent pot smokers (even those who had given up marijuana) tended to have deficits in memory, concentration, and overall IQ. The reduction in IQ for those who smoked pot heavily prior to age 18 was most pronounced: an average of eight points. An eight point reduction in IQ is enough to have a significant, negative impact upon your life. To put it into context, consider that individuals with an IQ of 110 have an average net worth of $71,000 and individuals with an IQ of 120 have an average net worth of $128,000. It looks like smoking pot can lower your tax bracket.

What's significant about this research is that it was a longitudinal study: researchers followed and tested subjects from birth through to age 38, noting when and how frequently they picked up habits like drug use. Previous studies scrutinized marijuana use at a single point in time, which failed to eliminate the possibility that people with lower IQs are more likely to smoke pot. The longitudinal research provided a baseline IQ score for all subjects, which revealed changes in IQ scores as they picked up new habits, such as smoking pot.

By following subjects for decades, the researchers were able to measure the lasting effects of adolescent marijuana use (even after subjects gave up smoking pot). These effects last because the teenage brain is still developing at a rapid pace; myriad new pathways for thinking are formed during this period while others are weeded out. When teenagers expose their brains to a damaging substance like marijuana, the effects aren't just drastic...they're permanently etched into the brain. Indeed, the reduction in IQ from smoking marijuana regularly was much greater for those who started smoking as teenagers than those who started in adulthood.

While the study didn't measure the effects of marijuana upon teenagers' emotional intelligence, it's likely they are dire. Emotional intelligence (EQ) in teenagers lags behind their cognitive development. This explains why teenagers are so impulsive, emotional, and prone to risky behavior. Since teenagers' EQ develops much later than their IQ, this area of the brain is even more susceptible to the negative influences of marijuana.

[Helix8]

Moffitt et al.: Causal inference from observational data remains difficult

Reply to Rogeberg and Daly: No evidence that socioeconomic status or personality differences confound the association between cannabis use and IQ decline

"we aimed to push the Dunedin Study as far toward causal inference as possible, while acknowledging in our paper the inherent limits of its correlational design"

in other words "we assume" ...

don't believe everything you read on the interwebs...

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Helix8

Moffitt et al.: Causal inference from observational data remains difficult

Reply to Rogeberg and Daly: No evidence that socioeconomic status or personality differences confound the association between cannabis use and IQ decline

"we aimed to push the Dunedin Study as far toward causal inference as possible, while acknowledging in our paper the inherent limits of its correlational design"

in other words "we assume" ...

don't believe everything you read on the interwebs...

I am confused by your response listing defense backing the claims of the study cited. Are you agreeing with me?

" No evidence that socioeconomic status or personality differences confound the association between cannabis use and IQ decline" supports the conclusion of the study I referred to...and
"we aimed to push the Dunedin Study as far toward causal inference as possible, while acknowledging in our paper the inherent limits of its correlational design" does not refute the findings in any way. The same is true for "Causal inference from observational data remains difficult". Both are true for even the best study (but the study, Moffitt et al, explains the great lengths taken to avoid incorrect conclusion).

It is no more "we assume" than any other scientific study. Well done and well defended. There are many "studies" claiming otherwise...well-funded by the legalization lobby...but obviously flawed (likely intentionally). Those are usually lauded by drug users/pushers(much like the decades of denial regarding cigarettes)...because it helps them sleep at night.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by KC911

They won't even let you read? Tell me more....schithead

Thin disguises rule.....fint doesn't...whew

The PARF forum is completely blocked from my view (no read, no write, no nothing), ya chowderheadedchoad!

[slodave]

Amused.... 😊

[Helix8]

All the Circularity....Amused as well...thank you

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

The PARF forum is completely blocked from my view (no read, no write, no nothing), ya chowderheadedchoad!

I'll take back what I said....if you tell me how? I can't afford to fall back in.....and lose more IQ points than pot ever did ...look what it's done to others

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by KC911

I'll take back what I said....if you tell me how? I can't afford to fall back in.....and lose more IQ points than pot ever did ...look what it's done to others

You can't stay away. Just ask Ronnie. The folks that keep posting these political threads/posts in OT are pushers...drawing you back in. You are going through withdrawal.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

The PARF forum is completely blocked from my view (no read, no write, no nothing), ya chowderheadedchoad!

There is currently a thread addressing Obama's speech on toxic masculinity. Can you image the carnage?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by KC911

I'll take back what I said....if you tell me how? I can't afford to fall back in.....and lose more IQ points than pot ever did ...look what it's done to others

Just piss off the masses over there, and then a moderator (aka - go overboard pointing out various posters' hypocrisies, OCD conditions, and general dumbassness, preferable with a lot of raunchy commentary used for good measure), and you can be blocked from there, too.

Originally Posted by fintstone

There is currently a thread addressing Obama's speech on toxic masculinity. Can you image the carnage?

That sounds like a fun thread, considering that at least half, if not two thirds of the peeps that post in PARF are remarkably effeminate (they cry out like lil' girls when they read stuff that offends them - even if the commentary is not directed at them in any way); a shame that I'm missings such a ripe opportunity to machine-gun feces!

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

J....
That sounds like a fun thread, considering that at least half, if not two thirds of the peeps that post in PARF are remarkably effeminate (they cry out like lil' girls when they read stuff that offends them - even if the commentary is not directed at them in any way); a shame that I'm missings such a ripe opportunity to machine-gun feces!

That...and the implication that Obama thinks he knows anything about masculinity (toxic or otherwise).

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by fintstone

That...and the implication that Obama thinks he knows anything about masculinity (toxic or otherwise).

Where's that Obama bicycle pic that Island likes to post?!?!