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911_Dude 05-05-2019 04:13 AM

The owner of Maximum Security must be maximum pissed. He will still make a lot of money on breeding tho.

Sooner or later 05-05-2019 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 10448681)
Agree. These are animals, not humans or automobiles. Removing latitude for imperfection will change the sport...but not for the better. I think it was a bad call for horse racing.

It was the correct call. It has been a rule in the sport for a hundred years. It ain't NASCAR rules.

greglepore 05-05-2019 05:29 AM

Whether it was the animal or the jockey is immaterial. Watching it live with a roomful of horse people, we all thought there would be a protest. Its just too dang dangerous for the trailing horse. These horses make 100's of millions in stud, and one with a broken leg generally gets put down, so its financial as well as safety.
Right call...

CurtEgerer 05-05-2019 05:40 AM

It only had an affect on who finished 3rd and 4th. To totally disqualify the clear winner of The Derby because he may have affected the 3rd and 4th place horse is BS. If they are going to start enforcing technicalities to determine the winner, every aggrieved owner will file disputes from here on out, knowing they now have a chance to improve their position based on this first in history precedent. There was a LOT of bumping at the start too (as usual) - will that be a basis for a penalty next year? Probably.

If Maximum Security had been trained by their favorite Bob Baffert, the stewards wouldn't have even bothered to look at the videos.

Chocaholic 05-05-2019 05:48 AM

And it wasn’t the stewards that initiated the reconsideration. Nor was it the two affected riders. Seems an opportunistic play by the second place team to steal the win from the faster horse. Unfortunately it worked.

I’d guess if you go back and watch the last ten Kentucky Derby’s, you’d see much worse. This was a bad call. My opinion.

KFC911 05-05-2019 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 10448760)
Whether it was the animal or the jockey is immaterial. Watching it live with a roomful of horse people, we all thought there would be a protest. Its just too dang dangerous for the trailing horse. These horses make 100's of millions in stud, and one with a broken leg generally gets put down, so its financial as well as safety.
Right call...

Thanks for that perspective....watched it...distracted w/ puppy...best horse won THAT race imo. I equated it to a bs call in sports I do know...with even more $ at stake too imo. As a VERY casual observer....it was B$....in this case H$ :)...I really don't care...I know who WON that race ;)

greglepore 05-05-2019 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10448785)
Thanks for that perspective....watched it...distracted w/ puppy...best horse won THAT race imo. I equated it to a bs call in sports I do know...with even more $ at stake too imo. As a VERY casual observer....it was B$....in this case H$ :)...I really don't care...I know who WON that race ;)

Yes, and he'll make the money in stud that the winner deserves. I don't think the stewards took it lightly. And if you watch the vid, not only did Max impede the 3rd place horse, but he also cut back inside and bumped the rail horse after. Looked to me like he was outta control.

Seahawk 05-05-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 10448798)
Yes, and he'll make the money in stud that the winner deserves. I don't think the stewards took it lightly. And if you watch the vid, not only did Max impede the 3rd place horse, but he also cut back inside and bumped the rail horse after. Looked to me like he was outta control.

We are all in the opinion business on this one, but I agree with the assessment above. Seeing it in real time I knew there was going to be a protest. Watch the rerun and track horse 5.

Since I grew up working horses, I worked as a swing groom for a known horse trainer my senior year in HS in Aiken, SC - a big winter training ground for Thoroughbreds - when we moved there. I also worked a winter grooming when I was chasing the baseball dream.

I know the sons of a lot of well know trainers, jockeys (flat and Steeplechase) from that era. I called one after the race. "Good call", was his answer. He also mentioned that the initial winning jockey brought up the potential interference when we was being interviewed while still mounted.

Given the financial stakes, this is far from over - the owner and trainer have mentioned a follow-on protest.

If you folks have never been to a flat race/Steeplechase, do it. The power of these animals in full flight is wondrous to behold in person.

KFC911 05-05-2019 07:24 AM

I barely watched it real time...no replays...I'm outta this one :).

Paul...go to the Tanglewood Steeplechase sometime if ya get a chance...po' folks playin' horsey :)

greglepore 05-05-2019 08:45 AM

Foxfield steeplechase here in Charlottesville is cool-spring is a uva rowdyfest, fall subdued


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lukeh 05-05-2019 09:14 AM

I know nothing about horse racing but as soon as we saw it I told me wife that a horse swerving outside like that seemed questionable. He cut off another horse and that isn't legal...it is considered dangerous. You can't concern yourself with the fact of what horses were affected because that would turn it into the NBA. Guy hits player on the wrist but the fouler is a star, playing at home and it's in the 4th quarter...so no call. But if it was on the road in the 1st quarter then we'll call it. The winner cut off two other horses, those horses had to pull up and that isn't legal. Glad they had the guts to call a foul a foul. If they don't call it when everyone knows it's a foul (announcer even said so) then you open a can a worms and conspiracy theories.

Sooner or later 05-05-2019 09:29 AM

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/05/maximum-security-co-owner-weighs-options-after-derby-disqualification/23721900/


Kentucky Horse Racing Commission chief steward Barbara Borden said the riders of Long Range Toddy and Country House lodged objections against Maximum Security for interference.


"We had a lengthy review of the race," Borden said. "We interviewed affected riders. We determined that (Maximum Security) drifted out and impacted the progress of War of Will, in turn interfering with the 18 and 21. Those horses were all affected by the interference."


Friday's Kentucky Oaks for fillies began with a scary spill at the start by Positive Spirit that dumped rider Manny Franco. Neither the horse nor rider was injured, and both walked off the track. Serengeti Empress won the race in her first start since pulling up early in March at Fair Grounds with external bleeding.

The incidents come soon after the industry enacted a raft of medication and safety rules changes following the deaths of 23 horses over three months at California's Santa Anita.

L8Brakr 05-05-2019 01:30 PM

The way Maximum Security blocked the field by moving three lanes to the right and then diving back to the rail made me wonder........When did Max Verstappen become a jockey? :D

KFC911 05-05-2019 02:17 PM

Ol' #3 would've never had the win "stolen" an hour later like that...racin' is racin'...then settle it with a brawl....

I might even watch the replays then ;)

drcoastline 05-05-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 10448826)

If you folks have never been to a flat race/Steeplechase, do it. The power of these animals in full flight is wondrous to behold in person.

We go to Radnor Hunt Steeplechase. Will agree spectacular to behold.

We also attend Preakness.

Hugh R 05-05-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 10448487)

Wow and Wow what an amazing picture. Don't know horse racing at all, but if it was a legitimate call, no matter how old a rule, its just too bad. For the nag that got the boot.

legion 05-05-2019 03:55 PM

So, how were the bets paid?

Sooner or later 05-05-2019 04:52 PM

Bets were paid on final official result.

It won't be overturned. Two owners filed a protest. All three judges were in agreement. .

Thie is not the first time a horse has been disqualified in a horse race.

Por_sha911 05-05-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L8Brakr (Post 10449113)
The way Maximum Security blocked the field by moving three lanes to the right and then diving back to the rail made me wonder........When did Max Verstappen become a jockey? :D

Indy Car champion Paul Tracy calls it "the Pruitt fade".

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Originally Posted by lukeh (Post 10448923)
You can't concern yourself with the fact of what horses were affected because that would turn it into the NBA. Guy hits player on the wrist but the fouler is a star, playing at home and it's in the 4th quarter...so no call.

Happens in the NHL with certain players both famous and infamous and it sux.


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