"your pisspoorplanning doesnt make it my emergency"

[vash]

the quote goes something like that right?

i am stacked at work. i typically warn the contractor about upcoming submittals and stuff. the big stuff, they usually remember. now, i have very little luxury-time to preemptively worry about their responsibilities. i have enough timelines of my own i try to meet.

not this time. i had to shut down a project because their ducks are not in a row. hell, they are not even ducks at this points. eggs!! they have EGGS!

naturally, he's pissed. by contract i get 15 days to review something. most things. he needed them in hours, not days. errrr..okay. lunch is overrated, (so is peeing and pooping). i split the pile between a work bud, promised him a sandwich and we went to town. all good until every submittal got rejected. opps.

today was a planned day off. i am meandering in today. apparently, days off are overrated too. (pssst..shhhh..i have a package arriving at the office today anyways, dont tell anyone)

bright side? his problems are way better than when i have problems. ahhhhhh.. cant wait till beer-thirty!

[Seahawk]

My father's favorite saying: "Piss poor playing on your part doesn't make your problem my problem".

Words to live by...part of the art of "no".

[Evans, Marv]

Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part - pretty much how it goes if I remember right. Get some of the supervisors above you involved in getting things back on track. Maybe a little work on their parts will eliminate possibilities of emergencies on your part.

[Steve Carlton]

The way I've heard it- "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

I also like the 6 Ps- Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

[GH85Carrera]

In the aerial photography business many clients want a project flown in the winter, or "leaf off" for the trees to be able to see through the trees. We for sure can't control springs arrival. We have clients that wait until the trees are budding to ask for a quote to fly a leaf off project. One thing for sure in most of the southwest, spring brings rain, and storms. We can't fly a project that specifies full sun, leaf off without clear skies and no leafs on the trees if it is cloudy, and we sure will not fly when the thunderstorms are everywhere.

So why do clients wait until the buds are on the trees and expect us to fly the project with out magic anti cloud ray gun or some other magic anti cloud system? And then the call on a day that is great for playing golf, but lots of big white puffy clouds and ask if we flew the project? We only get paid when we fly, we don't make any money with our airplane sitting in the hangar, we want it flown more than they do.

Even when the weather is perfect, and the trees are naked, it takes time to process the imagery. We get it done as soon as possible. So why does it take the client 4 months to pay us?

[petrolhead611]

Once got asked about lunchtime on Xmas Eve ( just after my staff had gone home for the holidays, to make 150 tailored car covers for a January 2nd new car launch brand new model with none available for measuring yet England closes every year between noon on the 24th through the 2nd January. When would the organizers have known about the car launch do you think? Had to turn away the order as impossible to fulfill.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

My father's favorite saying: "Piss poor playing on your part doesn't make your problem my problem".

Words to live by...part of the art of "no".

The art of saying No is to say "Yes" in such a way that it not happening is not your fault.

[juanbenae]

do the contract docs include a list of submittals or is that generated by the contractor, as a submittal?

my former public agency employer hired low end consultants. in one of many cost cutting examples that were prevalent again and again was to have the contractor submit the list of submittals. it was almost comical in how much was missed with this approach. I would often look for a submittal on a product to be implemented on a project only to not find one, or have it on the contractor generated list. I *****ed all the time with no relief, and finally just gave up.


another saying I used often there was "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"

[vash]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

do the contract docs include a list of submittals or is that generated by the contractor, as a submittal?

my former public agency employer hired low end consultants. in one of many cost cutting examples that were prevalent again and again was to have the contractor submit the list of submittals. it was almost comical in how much was missed with this approach. I would often look for a submittal on a product to be implemented on a project only to not find one, or have it on the contractor generated list. I *****ed all the time with no relief, and finally just gave up.


another saying I used often there was "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"

good question. his requirements are in a book about the size of an old dictionary. he has to look them up. (i have to look them up as well, but after all these years, they are vaguely burned into memory. i still have to look up the details, but i remember that it is basically required)

[Jim Richards]

Cliff, do you have a role in contract awards? Keep track of when requirements & schedules aren’t met, and, when they bid on a project, factor that into your decision making. And be sure to let them know you consider that when recommending or choosing contractors for future projects.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Cliff, do you have a role in contract awards? Keep track of when requirements & schedules aren’t met, and, when they bid on a project, factor that into your decision making. And be sure to let them know you consider that when recommending or choosing contractors for future projects.

Probably won't make a bit of a difference. 2 reasons: government and budget

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Cliff, do you have a role in contract awards? Keep track of when requirements & schedules aren’t met, and, when they bid on a project, factor that into your decision making. And be sure to let them know you consider that when recommending or choosing contractors for future projects.

that's rich! public contracts go to the "lowest responsible bidder". the responsible part open to interpretation.

[Baz]

This is the traditional wording I grew up with:



I've seen this displayed in so many shops I couldn't count them on two hands! The best was when it was on a coffee cup at a trailer shop I visited. That was awesome!

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

that's rich! public contracts go to the "lowest responsible bidder". the responsible part open to interpretation.

Yea, most government agencies only see that bottom line of cost. We bid on one big project for the local city & county group. All the cared about was price. One of the HUGE out of state companies did it for super cheap. They flew in the equipment from another state, and likely never landed to even buy fuel. They shipped all the mapping work to India, and they missed the deadline by over 6 months, and turned in real low quality deliverables, but dang it was cheap!

We are a local tax paying company, with an airplane registered in this state. We live here. All the work would have been done here, we would meet the deadline, and turned in high quality product, but it would have cost a little bit more. And when they call to ask a question, we would drive over and help them out with it. Instead of just blowing them off like the big guys.

[vash]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Probably won't make a bit of a difference. 2 reasons: government and budget

you would be wrong. you would be surprised how many contractors get the call during their "high fives" when we discover they dropped the ball somewhere, somehow.

it is an awkward conversation, thankfully i dont have to make.

this just happened last week to an awesome (and dyslexic) contractor. opps.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

...They shipped all the mapping work to India, and they missed the deadline by over 6 months, and turned in real low quality deliverables, but dang it was cheap!

We are a local tax paying company, with an airplane registered in this state. We live here. All the work would have been done here, we would meet the deadline, and turned in high quality product, but it would have cost a little bit more. And when they call to ask a question, we would drive over and help them out with it. Instead of just blowing them off like the big guys.

I worked in digital imaging (Pre-Press) for a long, long time, and the challenges you speak of jigsaw perfectly with what I experienced. The pay was good, pleasant work environment, clients appreciated our hard work and effort to meet impossible deadlines with high-quality images; I was hoping to retire in the field, but that didn't quite work out because of cheap bandwidth and cheap digital storage and cheap labor. The trifecta of suck.

[Alfasrule]

K.I.S.S., P.P.P., You make a better door than a window!, What part of I.D.G.A.S. don't you understand and best of all F the F. F.!


Best lines ever!

PEACE!

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

I worked in digital imaging (Pre-Press) for a long, long time, and the challenges you speak of jigsaw perfectly with what I experienced. The pay was good, pleasant work environment, clients appreciated our hard work and effort to meet impossible deadlines with high-quality images; I was hoping to retire in the field, but that didn't quite work out because of cheap bandwidth and cheap digital storage and cheap labor. The trifecta of suck.

Yea, the internet and digital photography completely killed the industry I was in for almost 30 years, the photolab. There are likely more buggy whip makers than professional photolabs now.

My current company was started because the idiot son that inherited a business refused to upgrade to digital aerial mapping. He killed a 70 year old business. I am real glad he did, now I work for my own all digital company.

[RWebb]

Give him a Holiday Gift: a copy of project management software - buy an old CD (or 5.25" floppies) for Win 3.0 or something and wrap it up real nice

[Tervuren]

Today's Dilbert, coincidentally.