4500 years before the pyramids

[Shaun @ Tru6]

9,000 year-old settlement found in Israel

[john70t]

Canaanites or another tribe would be my guess.

[Tervuren]

My Great Uncle was an archaeologist in the middle east, among other places.

He strongly disagreed with the thoughts of his day.

He was of the opinion that primitive peoples rather than remants that had not evolved as much as "modern man" were rather outcasts or separated.

Instead of an order of development of primitive > tribe > village > town; He held a view closer to an order order of Village and town both developed within a few generations, then out casts, wander lust, and/or calamity caused separated tribes and primitives.

There are many different finds, that based on finds in his time, he expected to happen in future times. I am seeing what he expected come to pass, what he predicted come to pass. Great guy, and had a full collection of Calvin and Hobbes books in addition to dinosaur bones and many other artifacts.

It is really interesting to see how it takes decades from first findings until things become more generally known. Often the people holding the old ideas have to die off, then a younger generation can be more fact oriented. Often that younger generation can have implement their own opinions on top of facts - the cycle repeats.

My conclusion, we know a lot less than most people believe we know.

Where the oceans are today, they weren't. There are underwater discoveries just waiting to be made.

My great uncle also was very strongly convinced that his own interpretations could be just as flawed as the flaws he pointed out in the interpretations that were accepted in his day.

He knew we weren't working with enough knowledge. We still aren't even today.

He held a view that:

Human civilization was > 8,000 year old.
Human civilization spread rapidly.
Human civilization included ocean navigation. (Trans ocean sea voyages were more than 8,000 years old in his opinion!)
Human civilization did not evolve from cavemen, cavemen were off shoots of human civilization.

[Tobra]

I think it is not so much the oceans are not where they used to be as the land masses moved around, a la plate tectonics.

I also think that folks that are convinced they know how things were in prehistoric times are generally not nearly as clever as they believe themselves to be.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I think it is not so much the oceans are not where they used to be as the land masses moved around, a la plate tectonics.

I also think that folks that are convinced they know how things were in prehistoric times are generally not nearly as clever as they believe themselves to be.

Within human time, Florida has shrunk substantially, leaving ruins underwater.

The Mediterranean has a few known under water structures.

Other parts of civilization were once coastal, and are now inland.

There are the marks of incredible change; and also the marks of change far more rapid than many of the older generation here might have been taught in school.

I agree whole heartily with your last sentence, we possess the knowledge to be speculative rather than authoritative. Our past attempts at authoritative have needed to be re-written. There is no indication the present attempts will not need to be re-written.

I love the subject even if in the end all our prattle on it will make us appear to future generations as fools.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Within human time, Florida has shrunk substantially, leaving ruins underwater.

The Mediterranean has a few known under water structures.

Other parts of civilization were once coastal, and are now inland.

There are the marks of incredible change; and also the marks of change far more rapid than many of the older generation here might have been taught in school.

I agree whole heartily with your last sentence, we possess the knowledge to be speculative rather than authoritative. Our past attempts at authoritative have needed to be re-written. There is no indication the present attempts will not need to be re-written.

I love the subject even if in the end all our prattle on it will make us appear to future generations as fools.

The water level has risen about 500 feet in the last 25K years. Which means the average water level rise was around 0.25 inches per year...Most of that rise occurred early in the time period and is considered by some as the source of the "great flood" story.

Take a look at the sea floor maps showing 500 foot depth. All of that was above water. The area of migration to the Western Hemisphere was well north of the bearing straight.

[tabs]

Next thing you know George Washington will be found to be a racist...

[tabs]

They found a "made in China" stamp in the corner of the pyramids..

[Clint Lando]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I think it is not so much the oceans are not where they used to be as the land masses moved around, a la plate tectonics.

in 9000 years
moves 600 feet

[Tobra]

Moves around, and up and down

[KFC911]

Folks been living in eastern NC fer 10,000 years now...

Knew Kids On The Rock

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Moves around, and up and down

I have to wonder what kinda motion happens with the supposed hit that made the gulf mexico happened.

Do things on the earth pop around a lot in an event like that?

Eisenhower tried to fund a study on possibly mechanics of rapid motion.

Sadly it didn't get going during his term, and the new kids on the block weren't interested.

There are questions that to this day remain unanswered.

[McLovin]

It’s all just part of the sim.

[varmint]

read up on Gobekli Tepi.

overturns the last century of anthropology.

[Rtrorkt]

Originally Posted by varmint

read up on Gobekli Tepi.

overturns the last century of anthropology.

agree and check Mohenjo Daro

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/archaeology/mohenjo-daro/

[Rtrorkt]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/

[Rtrorkt]

one more from Bolivia

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

My Great Uncle was an archaeologist in the middle east, among other places.

He strongly disagreed with the thoughts of his day.

He was of the opinion that primitive peoples rather than remants that had not evolved as much as "modern man" were rather outcasts or separated.

Instead of an order of development of primitive > tribe > village > town; He held a view closer to an order order of Village and town both developed within a few generations, then out casts, wander lust, and/or calamity caused separated tribes and primitives.

There are many different finds, that based on finds in his time, he expected to happen in future times. I am seeing what he expected come to pass, what he predicted come to pass. Great guy, and had a full collection of Calvin and Hobbes books in addition to dinosaur bones and many other artifacts.

It is really interesting to see how it takes decades from first findings until things become more generally known. Often the people holding the old ideas have to die off, then a younger generation can be more fact oriented. Often that younger generation can have implement their own opinions on top of facts - the cycle repeats.

My conclusion, we know a lot less than most people believe we know.

Where the oceans are today, they weren't. There are underwater discoveries just waiting to be made.

My great uncle also was very strongly convinced that his own interpretations could be just as flawed as the flaws he pointed out in the interpretations that were accepted in his day.

He knew we weren't working with enough knowledge. We still aren't even today.

He held a view that:

Human civilization was > 8,000 year old.
Human civilization spread rapidly.
Human civilization included ocean navigation. (Trans ocean sea voyages were more than 8,000 years old in his opinion!)
Human civilization did not evolve from cavemen, cavemen were off shoots of human civilization.

I'm not an archeologist, and I didn't stay in any sort of hotel last night, but I think your uncle is right in many ways. I think lots of scientists over the years and possibly still many/most think that ancient man was primitive and couldn't figure much stuff out. I think that's short sited. I think a lot more went on than scientists think. I think man has always done a lot of traveling, probably mostly by foot or animal, but also by boat that science has always thought was unlikely. I think that a lot more was known by the folks way back than they are given credit for. Just because we don't have a written record doesn't mean that it wasn't complex.

[masraum]

All sorts of interesting stuff about water levels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

https://mappingignorance.org/2014/02/07/how-the-mediterranean-was-refilled/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2167731/Britains-Atlantis-North-sea--huge-undersea-kingdom-swamped-tsunami-5-500-years-ago.html

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

If they the pharaohs would have been interred, the walls would have been painted.

The richly-decorated tombs found in the Valley of the Kings were built over 1,000 years after the pyramids. Many changes in ancient Egyptian culture and beliefs took place during that time span.

Architect Jean-Pierre Houdin has an interesting theory about how the pyramids may have been constructed.
Here's a short video that touches on the basics of his idea ↓



And here's a longer version that goes into much more detail.
Quite intriguing if you're interested in such things ↓