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john70t 03-15-2020 10:26 AM

Not sure how this flies with three people in front..but it does.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584296746.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584296755.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584296770.jpg

svandamme 03-15-2020 10:31 AM

anybody know model/type?
looks very efficient design with that ducted fan?

pavulon 03-15-2020 10:39 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgley_Optica

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svandamme 03-15-2020 10:57 AM

thanks, looks pretty cool
must have great outwards visibility for pilot and passengers

pavulon 03-15-2020 02:20 PM

could see it used for photography but would imagine drones have most of that market today.

Seahawk 03-15-2020 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 10785365)
I think I see what they did with the duct and air flow...

Depending on the stators, ducted fans are extremely efficient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgley_Optica

I would love to fly it.

t6dpilot 03-15-2020 03:14 PM

That is the P-40 I flew. Might even be me in that pic.


93nav 03-15-2020 03:14 PM

Edgley Optica

1/4 to 1/3 of the operating costs. Also, longer range/duration (8 hrs at loiter). Also quieter.

As I recall, the airframe is not as efficient/clean as thought. After the first prototype, they had to go to a larger engine. IO-360 to IO-540.

I want one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcar (Post 10785353)
Novelty only...

Like a small helicopter with virtually none of the utility of one....


TRE Cup 03-15-2020 04:08 PM

Condor squadron VNY west side of the airport
These guys do some great formation flying on the holidays over Los Angeles
Darn it the pic won't upload

abisel 03-15-2020 07:16 PM

Before:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584328319.jpg

After:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584328344.jpg

Historians are a bit upset at what the Egyptians did to the aircraft:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5231593/Egyptians-World-War-II-RAF-Kittyhawk-plane-makeover.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHcB7jQj0T0

Geronimo '74 03-16-2020 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t6dpilot (Post 10785466)
That is the P-40 I flew. Might even be me in that pic.

That's pretty cool!
I love P-40's.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584345752.jpg

BReif61 03-16-2020 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 10785448)
Depending on the stators, ducted fans are extremely efficient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgley_Optica

I would love to fly it.

Question for the braintrust after reading that Wiki article:

Is it typical for an aircraft to have a cruising speed that close to stall speed (81mph vs 67mph)?

Hawkeye's-911T 03-16-2020 09:41 AM

Quote:

Is it typical for an aircraft to have a cruising speed that close to stall speed (81mph vs 67mph)?
An extreme case or example I grant you, but think about the 'coffin corner' of the U-2.
To your point - you'd better keep your attention on your instruments & the full-time job at hand.

93nav 03-16-2020 09:52 AM

If I read the Wiki correctly, that 81mph is at 40% power and is the best loiter speed when they are trying to maximize endurance. Max speed is 132, so a normal cruising speed may be closer to 110-115mph (75% power). Just guessing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 10786152)
Question for the braintrust after reading that Wiki article:

Is it typical for an aircraft to have a cruising speed that close to stall speed (81mph vs 67mph)?


pavulon 03-17-2020 03:56 AM

Could see that issue driving the switch to a more powerful engine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 10786152)
Question for the braintrust after reading that Wiki article:

Is it typical for an aircraft to have a cruising speed that close to stall speed (81mph vs 67mph)?


svandamme 03-17-2020 04:24 AM

I think it's a case of
cruise speed means different things to different people
it's supposed to be a low speed observation aircraft..
so cruise speed is meant for long loiter, low noise, low speed, low fuel consumption

Where as other aircraft cruise speed is meant to get somewhere in reasonable speed at best possible fuel consumption ?



could also be a Wiki mistake, because in the article it's listed as loiter speed of 81 mph
and in the specs it's called cruise speed , for same speed indicated

BReif61 03-17-2020 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 93nav (Post 10786299)
If I read the Wiki correctly, that 81mph is at 40% power and is the best loiter speed when they are trying to maximize endurance. Max speed is 132, so a normal cruising speed may be closer to 110-115mph (75% power). Just guessing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10787305)
I think it's a case of
cruise speed means different things to different people
it's supposed to be a low speed observation aircraft..
so cruise speed is meant for long loiter, low noise, low speed, low fuel consumption

Where as other aircraft cruise speed is meant to get somewhere in reasonable speed at best possible fuel consumption ?

Knowing that this is Wikipedia that we are talking about, everything must be taken with a degree of skepticism. But wouldn't an airplane that operates on that thin of a margin be extremely susceptible to crashing?

IE, couldn't a sudden strong tailwind stall the wings?

abisel 03-17-2020 05:40 AM

... and then there was Capt Kelso in his P40:

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pavulon 03-17-2020 05:47 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1584452812.jpg

Seahawk 03-17-2020 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 10787308)
Knowing that this is Wikipedia that we are talking about, everything must be taken with a degree of skepticism. But wouldn't an airplane that operates on that thin of a margin be extremely susceptible to crashing?

IE, couldn't a sudden strong tailwind stall the wings?

Only on take off and landing. Interesting video if you can handle the narration.

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Up and away you are basically flying "with" the wind.


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