Wow - I think I knew about the slaughterhouse gore (have seen commercials for modern video games), but have never seen one in person.

Did you know that there is a porn sub-genre where computer dudes take characters from modern video games and create animated porn vids (monsters raping women, video game villains raping women, superhero women and men with "opposite" genitalia going to town on each other, and the list goes on and on). No joke.

You're convinced on the pornography. While I don't think it has anything to do with mass shootings. I think it does have a negative impact on relationships, and possibility of domestic violence.

I have to wonder that so many of you grew up with violent video games (by today's realistic standards...not some animated cartoon/pac man type game?). They didn't even exist when my kids were children. How old are you?

Similarly the proliferation of pornographic and extremely violent movies. These were rare and required an ID when I was young. Much worse comes on my TV at night now. The few men's magazines I saw as a young adult were somewhat artsy and did not show genitals at all...nor lesbians or men. The women did not touch anyone or themselves...and no one touched them. just portrait shots of partially disrobed women. TV couples on shows I watched slept in separate beds.

Didn't you folks have parents? Didn't they keep you away from this crap? Along with cigarettes, beer, MJ, etc? Why weren't you out working, playing sports, or reading a book? Why aren't kids doing that now instead of getting drugged by their parents and playing computer games and chatting on 4chan on their computer? Where are their parents? The Elizabeth Warren-supporting Satanist in Ohio who shot his sister among the first victims had a kill and a rape list in high school...and everyone including the school knew. Where were his parents? We really are doomed.

I will be happy to give up my legally-owned weapons when after criminals give up all the illegal ones. I am curious though. Once there is no fear of homeowners being able to protect themselves, what is to stop the physically bigger, stronger folks from taking whatever they want...theft, rape, murder, etc.? I suspect that police response time is close to an hour in most places. Do we just start calling women children, and seniors victims?

This is the typical Republican approach. Create a problem where none exists, then claim nothing can be done about it. That's what the NRA did with guns when Obama was elected--floated the false narrative that Obama planned on "taking your guns," caused panic buying that flooded the country with them. They pulled this every time a mass shooting happened. I remember it was really crowded at my local range's gun store right after the Sandy Hook shooting. Let's face it, there's cash is murder, and we Americans love that cash. That's why we are the world's leading weapons peddlers.

Also popular is the "mental health" argument, such as was made by your Orange Jesus today. It's vague enough to be completely inactionable and meaningless. Plus, with its gutting of the ACA and similar gutting of other social programs, the administration is systematically removing mental health protections, not adding them.

I was not aware that China and Japan are small countries. Or Germany for that matter. Thanks for the geo lesson.

Like moving away from church, community, etc...just a gradual subordination of morals and seeing others (and sometimes themselves) as valuable members of a just society. It manifests itself in shootings like these, suicides and drug addiction/ODs.

I'm not actually convinced it plays a significant role in mass shootings (or any role), but it makes me wonder what kind of an impact it's having in general.

They should ban the internet .
That would help keep the weirdos busy with more productive hobbies that benefit society as a whole .

Absolutely not, as then I would have to work a lot harder to find all the foreign metal bands that I like so much! Plus, how could I order their tunes without Amazon??? :)

400 million guns in public circulation. Forget that part? :rolleyes:

So predictable.

If you move to a foreign country it might work out easier to find foreign music ?

In fact , scrap that .
You’d then become an immigrant , and nobody likes them :D

Wayyyyy ot , but have you looked at buying people collections on eBay ?
Change .com for .co.uk or .de etc to search countries direct

^^^

No doubt - I wouldn't want to be relegated to the 10th-class status of a demon immigrant!

I've ordered some things from Amazon and eBay UK, but never thought about that for music collections - will check it out.

I didn't know they had those kinds of mags in the early 1920s, FintIsStoned!!! :eek:

Everybody selling cd collections these days due to mp3/streaming , and the vinyl revival ...

I once went with a buddy who makes tube amps and pedals to a “storage locker sale” guy who had a load of of tubes and marshall amps etc that had no idea what he had ..
As part of the deal I had to buy a few vintage playboy magazines .
Some don’t even have photos , just pencil drawings of women :D

I still have them somewhere , I’ll have to dig them out as I’m building my mail order ar15 ...

Legal immigrants are just fine (although the lottery system certainly is about the worst way one could do it). Illegals are just that...illegal. Criminals (folks that think the laws do not apply to them) are why many here want to own guns. Why allow criminals from other countries to self-deport here to a sanctuary city when things get a bit too hot in their home country? The propensity of some locales to import MS-13 members with machetes certainly make a good argument for having a bit of personal firepower.

It's not about video games, or porn, or church, or your choice of music.

IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING OR NOT DOING.

The fact is there are bad people. Crazy bad people. There always will be. These are the extreme nutjobs who kill people. Always were, and always will be.

So you can not legislate risk out of life. You can't make some sort of ban to change the behavior of society in a vain attempt to reach the fringe wack-a-doo. We can talk all we want, make a law, pray, click your mouse, and spank your monkey all you want, and it won't change a thing. Crazy people who are willing to punch their ticket on a one way suicide mission to kill a bunch of people will kill a bunch of people. Forget about putting a giant rubber on the world, in order to have "safe life". There ain't no safe life, there is just life. And life includes risk, and pain, and scary things.

There is something to be said for a young man's first view of the promised land to be in person vice from a photo.

On the other hand...some might find such dangerous and uncharted territory a bit scary...

Do goats and mules count?!?! :eek:

Not even close. Here's how a doc who dealt with the Parkland victims described it:

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

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Surprisingly , it’s over 60 years old and it’s pages still aren’t stuck together :D

Many of the shooters (and has been proven) are "Incels".

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/4/16/18287446/incel-definition-reddit