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Sooner or later 08-05-2019 05:48 PM

Here you go, Corgi

Glock 19, 9 mm, 15+1 rounds

Tervuren 08-05-2019 05:50 PM

Hmm?

The data doesn't play out when it comes to video games.

There were some early studies done that had flaws.

The reality is the video games do not make people more violent, it pacifies and sometimes weakens instead.

Those that seek them out and later kill already wanted to kill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 10548198)
I am stunned that anyone can sincerely question the impact of realistic violence depicted in movies/tv/video games of late.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10548102)
Hmm.

Do we want to reverse the direction?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565035883.jpg

The lone mass shooter tends to have in common:
not raised by a constant loving mother and father.
Put at some point on mental drugs.

ian c2 08-05-2019 05:50 PM

perhaps more has to be done

Rawknees'Turbo 08-05-2019 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548515)
. . .

I'm just saying, I do have respect for those who don't want the hassle and choose not to carry. I have more respect for those who do carry. And low respect for those who complain that no one should have that right. --that is simply not realistic.

I don't carry, and here I am living in a state that you can walk around with a hand cannon exposed on your hip and it's perfectly legal (almost no one does that here, BTW). For a while I've been feeling the pinch of wanting to be more protected, however (not due to recent events, but just the realities of the DFW area in general). So far I've relied on my bad MF looks to protect me - has worked to this point! :D

Sooner or later 08-05-2019 06:01 PM

Is this an "assault" rifle?

Ruger Mini 14


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565056799.jpg

berettafan 08-05-2019 06:04 PM

I would not trade our second amendment for a UK type existence. They have to apply for permission to own a sporting shotgun. Even an over under. Permission.

I believe high cap rifles are ripe for banning but once they’re gone what’s next? High cap pistols? Semi auto shotguns? Crossbows?

No. Our constantly plugged in society is a giant stresser to many people and it needs fixing. I’m more interested in working on the ailment, not the symptoms.

How about this violent porn mentioned earlier? What are we doing about that? What about the mental abuse of telling a pre teen they may want to consider changing their sex? Social media companies are getting richer by the day and the blood of how many children is on their hands? Children bullied by the most efficient of platforms for ostracizing a child.

We won’t lift a finger to ban violence and violent porn on our internet and media outlets but damn let’s be sure to attack gun rights.

Sorry lib politicians but your demands are lacking in sincerity. You care not a whit about our children. Else you’d do something about all these other issues. They talk about the nra being a powerful lobby? NRA got nuttin on Hollywood, Verizon, google and friends.

KFC911 08-05-2019 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10548538)
I don't carry, and here I am living in a state that you can walk around with a hand cannon exposed on your hip and it's perfectly legal (almost no one does that here, BTW). For a while I've been feeling the pinch of wanting to be more protected, however (not due to recent events, but just the realities of the DFW area in general). So far I've relied on my bad MF looks to protect me - has worked to this point! :D

I wuz thinkin' mebbe I needed another .44 mag 8 3/8bbl fer my other hip....been walking a bit caddywhompus lately :). Think I've seen two guys open carry here in recent years....

I just snicker a bit...and want to put a "bulls eye" on their backs...and here's your sign ;)

Tervuren 08-05-2019 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10548438)
I pretty much think the same with regard to the influence of video games, violent movies, etc., but one thing that is very different now than to how it was back in the day is teens' (even much younger than that, really) ready, easy and free access to the hardest of hardcore porn - much of which is extremely violent toward women. I wonder what type of impact that is having on the minds of young males, as everyone must know that they are looking at it like crazy (very easy to hide that sort of activity from parents, no matter how smart the parents think they are).

Games:
I would say the games are an opposite effect from what most in the thread claim. I'm going with not a cause for games based on everything I've read and encountered. Statistics do not correlate either. Instead statistics show a drop in violence with the rise of video games. More recent studies show a drop in violence for gamers.


This is like saying race sims with graphic crashes encourages drivers to drive carelessly on the roads. Instead the opposite happens, the realization of how fragile we are is more in the mind of the gamer than the non gamer.

Movies:
I am unsure on movies, it is possible. A rise in violence around the time of bypassing judging standards that censored movies correlate if you give some time lag.

Porn:
I would say that the ability to generate likes via social media without personal interaction for females may be as problematic as the ability to easily gratify for males without personal interaction.

It may not play a role in murder over all; however it may play a role in the lone killer due to damage to parents and lack of need to form relationships.

berettafan 08-05-2019 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 10548548)
Is this an "assault" rifle?



Ruger Mini 14





http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565056799.jpg



Of course it is. Even gun nuts treat it as an alternative to an AR. It was for some time the poor mans/ban years AR. Mag fed rifle caliber easy to carry.

Let’s not be dishonest about these things.

island911 08-05-2019 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10548538)
I don't carry, and here I am living in a state that you can walk around with a hand cannon exposed on your hip and it's perfectly legal (almost no one does that here, BTW). For a while I've been feeling the pinch of wanting to be more protected, however (not due to recent events, but just the realities of the DFW area in general). So far I've relied on my bad MF looks to protect me - has worked to this point! :D

Yeah, TX... The first time I was there I had a moment of calm when I saw some sign about no carrying in the hotel gym or some such. It's nice when travelling to a place where so many others are ready to keep the peace, should some wack job start a scene.

It's weird, so many Lib's feel unsafe with people packing guns. Thing is, if those people were a problem ... well, clearly they are not. Well, again, perhaps not enough people carry. Even in TX. I expect the horror of that shooting had customers wishing for some armed person to return fire and stop the mad killer. - - who did drop the shooter? Cop or civilian?

Jeff Alton 08-05-2019 06:11 PM

Island, you are a smart guy. Are you telling us that the Swiss REQUIRE citizens to own guns? Your example here suggests that is the case. Please tell us where you found the data for Switzerland and Honduras. A cursory search indicates the meme's are not accurate. I get what you are trying to say, but your examples are not quite accurate?

Cheers

Rawknees'Turbo 08-05-2019 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10548551)
I wuz thinkin' mebbe I needed another .44 mag 8 3/8bbl fer my other hip....been walking a bit caddywhompus lately :). Think I've seen two guys open carry here in recent years....

I just snicker a bit...and want to put a "bulls eye" on their backs...and here's your sign ;)

I've only seen a couple as well, and I immediately thought douchebag and/or must be hung like a mosquito (and not a big, TexASS sized mosquito either! :eek:). :)

island911 08-05-2019 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton (Post 10548562)
Island, you are a smart guy. Are you telling us that the Swiss REQUIRE citizens to own guns? Your example here suggests that is the case. Please tell us where you found the data for Switzerland and Honduras. A cursory search indicates the meme's are not accurate. I get what you are trying to say, but your examples are not quite accurate?

Cheers

Note that it does not say that EVERY citizen is required to own. --but Switzerland does require training & ownership.(again, not for every citizen)

Of course Switzerland is known for their required military service. --This service is mandatory, And here's your gun.

Quote:

The structure of the Swiss militia system stipulates that the soldiers keep their own personal equipment, including all personally assigned weapons, at home. Compulsory military service applies to all male Swiss citizens, with women serving voluntarily. Males usually receive initial orders at the age of 18 for military conscription eligibility screening. About two-thirds of young Swiss men are found suitable for service, while alternative service exists for those found unsuitable.[6] Annually, approximately 20,000 persons are trained in basic training for 18 weeks (23 weeks for special forces).

per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Armed_Forces
bold mine ^

Sooner or later 08-05-2019 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 10548557)
Of course it is. Even gun nuts treat it as an alternative to an AR. It was for some time the poor mans/ban years AR. Mag fed rifle caliber easy to carry.

Let’s not be dishonest about these things.

We both know the answer. Basically meant for the Corg

Rawknees'Turbo 08-05-2019 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10548555)
Games:
I would say the games are an opposite effect from what most in the thread claim. I'm going with not a cause for games based on everything I've read and encountered. Statistics do not correlate either. Instead statistics show a drop in violence with the rise of video games. More recent studies show a drop in violence for gamers.


This is like saying race sims with graphic crashes encourages drivers to drive carelessly on the roads. Instead the opposite happens, the realization of how fragile we are is more in the mind of the gamer than the non gamer.

Movies:
I am unsure on movies, it is possible. A rise in violence around the time of bypassing judging standards that censored movies correlate if you give some time lag.

Porn:
I would say that the ability to generate likes via social media without personal interaction for females may be as problematic as the ability to easily gratify for males without personal interaction.

It may not play a role in murder over all; however it may play a role in the lone killer due to damage to parents and lack of need to form relationships.


I don't know the first thing about video games (haven't played one since the mid-late 1980s - no exaggeration), but my instinct feeling agrees with you and the stats (I just don't see them driving people to murderous acts).

Same thing with movies (I do watch some, however) - can't see them being a catalyst for going full Rambo, but who knows . . . maybe they inspire some fence-sitting, killer youth to act?

Interesting about the social media likes - I've never given that much though, other than to think how utterly dumb and nonsensical the whole thing is. I bet the lack of personal interaction is playing a big role - probably easy to disassociate victims from real people with loved ones, etc., if one's whole life experience is via the keyboard and smartphone screen. It will be something to see how that plays out as the whole digital isolation thing will likely only worsen with time.

I don't know if I have an actual formed opinion about the porn effect, but it sure wows my mind what today's youth have easy access too - shocking, really.

cabmandone 08-05-2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 10548507)
Are you suggesting one pellet of buck can do the same damage as a 7.62 or .223 rifle round?

I surely hope not.

No, I'm saying I'd be firing 8 .33 caliber pellets per trigger pull. More damage would be done per trigger pull in a close range situation.

Chocaholic 08-05-2019 06:37 PM

And a country of 350 million people with 400 million guns in circulation has no reasonable correlation to any other country on the planet. Pointing to small euro, Asian or ME countries is meaningless. But it makes Corgi feel like he’s making sense. Even if it doesn’t belong in OT.

cabmandone 08-05-2019 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548524)
If there was an equally easy to get and use alternative that had similar killing power, then yes, I would want to ban that. But no such thing currently exists, and the possibility that one may be developed can be addressed when and if it happens.

Until then, tell me why the gun hobby (which is what we're talking about here) is worth more than the lives that were lost even this last weekend.

You know that's nonsense... right? Plenty of other guns match the "killing power" of a .223 round and are equally easy to get. Like I said, you better just turn your pistol in now.

Chocaholic 08-05-2019 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10548582)
I don't know the first thing about video games (haven't played one since the mid-late 1980s - no exaggeration), but my instinct feeling agrees with you and the stats (I just don't see them driving people to murderous acts).

I’ve watched my 19 yo play. Incredibly realistic. Heads blown off, etc. Fun!

ian c2 08-05-2019 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548561)
Yeah, TX... The first time I was there I had a moment of calm when I saw some sign about no carrying in the hotel gym or some such. It's nice when travelling to a place where so many others are ready to keep the peace, should some wack job start a scene.

It's weird, so many Lib's feel unsafe with people packing guns. Thing is, if those people were a problem ... well, clearly they are not. Well, again, perhaps not enough people carry. Even in TX. I expect the horror of that shooting had customers wishing for some armed person to return fire and stop the mad killer. - - who did drop the shooter? Cop or civilian?

Are you asking if a cop or civilian shot the shooter in El Paso ?


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