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Sooner or later 08-06-2019 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 10549177)
The founding fathers did not need guns to rebel against a tyranny of ducks.
Geese can be tyrants. Ever been between momma goose and her chicks. It ain't pretty!

varmint 08-06-2019 08:54 AM
A goose beat the crap out of me when I was five or six. Still afraid of the things.

fastfredracing 08-06-2019 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548968)
Not true. While it could be that you do not have a clue does not mean others do not. And, clearly solutions have been put forward, it's just that said solutions are not acceptable to you and your lofty virtue signalling standards. For example, one solution is for more people to carry lethal force. -noting that most mass shooters target people in "gun-free zones" places where no one is likely to quickly shoot back . -- any mass shootings at gun shows? No. - Yer Welcome.
See, what you offered up , was simply an idea, not a solution . It is an idea , that will be met by half the us population as total nonsense.
Would it work, maybe, probably not .
Im not sure where you are even coming from with that lofty virtue signalling nonsense .

Crowbob 08-06-2019 08:59 AM
I like the drama of the futility in trying to outrun one.

Thing is running/flying at 2' altitude!

svandamme 08-06-2019 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10549197)
I think his point might be that so many people seem adverse to putting a limit on magazine capacity.
it's still a BS argument regarding the ducks.


Plenty of duck hunters don't bother, and the risk is a fine.
ducks aren't more protected

Nor will humans be if AR mags need a plug in them.
Nor will such a ban work because the mags are everywhere.. there's millions of them... you cannot make those dissapear.

At best they will be a black market commodity , available to anybody who bothers to look for em.


And a mag ban does not make it any less legal to shoot humans.

cabmandone 08-06-2019 09:10 AM
Geese definitely have an attitude. Funny thing happened the other day when I was checking a farm for groundhogs. I come up on a flock of geese in my truck. You could tell the group was largely hatchlings from this year as they weren't fully grown. One of the adult geese laid back while the group hurried away. I kid you not, I got withing 10 feet of that goose in my truck and it kept looking back at me almost like it was thinking "don't make me kick your ass".

svandamme 08-06-2019 09:23 AM
did ya pop a cap in his ass?

john70t 08-06-2019 09:23 AM
you people are animalists

https://knowledgenuts.com/2014/02/25/geese-are-the-best-guard-animals-in-history/

cabmandone 08-06-2019 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10549254)
did ya pop a cap in his ass?
Nope just laughed. Once the rest of the flock was safely out of sight it slowly took off and flew toward where they went.

GH85Carrera 08-06-2019 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 10549161)
I find it unbelievable that so many of you have missed the point of my question entirely.

Let me restate it:

Why do so many people who like guns agree that a limit for ducks is reasonable, yet no other controls seem even remotely reasonable, in fact, they seem offensive, as in, not even up for an honest discussion.

Why is that?
The real answer is as simplistic as your question. With no limits on duck hunting, the duck population would be devastated and they would be an endanger species in short order. Same for deer hunting. The exceptions are wild pigs, or rats or coyotes. Varmints that human have tried forever to eliminate. It is a shame wild pigs can't have the Chinese want them for aphrodisiacs like the rhino horns or shark fins.

The same thing for fishing. You can't go to a lake and catch unlimited bass or any game fish, we need to save enough to repopulate for the future. Ducks or, deer, fish, bears, or whatever. Kill all the wild pigs you can shoot and everyone will thank you.

svandamme 08-06-2019 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10549255)
They are, and unlike dogs won't get tricked with steak.
Total bastards, noisy as hell.

They won't bark their nuts off over nothing, but when it's proper tresspassing, they will trigger and pursue.

KFC911 08-06-2019 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10549227)
Geese definitely have an attitude. Funny thing happened the other day when I was checking a farm for groundhogs. I come up on a flock of geese in my truck. You could tell the group was largely hatchlings from this year as they weren't fully grown. One of the adult geese laid back while the group hurried away. I kid you not, I got withing 10 feet of that goose in my truck and it kept looking back at me almost like it was thinking "don't make me kick your ass".
The male would take you on....I keed you not :)

BTDT....had a rake (felt defenseless ;)), a Ruger in my pocket, but it weren't for Stihl's backpack hurricane maker Ida been a goner...30 min standoff ;).

His missus finally left him...he soon followed :)

Peace....

Tervuren 08-06-2019 09:45 AM
Wayner,
You say ducks are more protected than humans because it is legal to indiscriminately mass shoot an allowable limit of ducks for sport; providing you use a plugged magazine.

You then say we are nuts for saying that it shouldn't be legal to indiscriminately mass shoot humans, whether any tool is used?

For your point to be valid it would have to be ok and legal to mass shoot humans and we just want to limit the allowable tools to do so where frequent reloading is needed.


The thing about ducks is that enough people choose to abide by the rules that we still have ducks.

A mass shooter of humans has already made a decision to not abide by the rules about not mass shooting humans. A law about placing a plug in their magazine first before they start breaking the law by mass shooting humans isn't going to be very effective.

I'm surprised you keep running with this idea despite what has been pointed out about it.

madcorgi 08-06-2019 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 10548800)
How does that explain the Elizabeth Warren supporter in Ohio...or the fact that the fellow in Texas specifically stated that it had nothing to do with Trump and he blamed both parties?

Seems his motivation was more one of the things you seem to support, unchecked illegal immigration. He lived near the border at ground zero for the massive invasion and was upset regarding how it was affecting his life...just like a lot of folks that do not benefit from what is practically slave labor for the wealthy folks in liberal enclaves like Seattle and San Francisco. He had to compete with them and their progeny while he and his family had to subsidize them and put up with the crime they bring.

Expect more like him if our liberal legislators do not fix the problem. Currently, it seems that most of the Democrat Presidential candidates are in favor of increasing bribes (like free education and healthcare) to entice them into coming.
Another Con telling me what I think! Must be Tuesday.

I support unchecked illegal immigration? Uh, no. When you start your post with a misrepresentation, I stop reading.
Perhaps you have some good ideas.
Likely not.

madcorgi 08-06-2019 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 10548835)
25 pages in, and one thing is clear to me. No one has a clue, or a solution .
Actually, there are a lot of clues, and a lot of proposed solutions.

Nobody on the Right wants a solution. They want $$$. That's all they ever talk about, and it's all they ever want. I Me Mine should replace MAGA as their slogan. It's perfect--even the words are short enough that most Cons can spell therm.

KFC911 08-06-2019 09:57 AM
Every spoon I have will kill you dead, and some will drop you faster than a .223 et al. Calibers up the scale ....pistol, rifle, 00 Buck....none of them can shoot, nor kill at even close to the pace the 30 mag rifles. I have levers, pumps, semi-auto .45acp, .44 mag etc.

And I have never shot a "scary black rifle".... but they are offensive weapons, unlike mine, and I would get one....for offense if I wanted to maximize my effenciency.

That is the truth...imo.

cabmandone 08-06-2019 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10549297)
Actually, there are a lot of clues, and a lot of proposed solutions.

Nobody on the Right wants a solution. They want $$$. That's all they ever talk about, and it's all they ever want. I Me Mine should replace MAGA as their slogan. It's perfect--even the words are short enough that most Cons can spell therm.
mmmhmmm. :D

cabmandone 08-06-2019 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10549300)
Every spoon I have will kill you dead, and some will drop you faster than a .223 et al. Calibers up the scale ....pistol, rifle, 00 Buck....none of them can shoot, nor kill at even close to the pace the 30 mag rifles. I have levers, pumps, semi-auto .45acp, .44 mag etc.

And I have never shot a "scary black rifle".... but they are offensive weapons, unlike mine, and I would get one....for offense if I wanted to maximize my effenciency.

That is the truth...imo.
Do a search on drum fed or mag fed shotguns. 30 rounds if ya want it. The gophers would have hell to pay!

KFC911 08-06-2019 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10549303)
mmmhmmm. :D
You mis-speeled mmmmmmm :)

madcorgi 08-06-2019 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548876)
Umm... they do hand out 9mm's.... and no... velocity is not meaningless, it's what helps create the energy. Velocity and mass are used to calculate kinetic energy. There are more lethal rounds than the .223.

I shot a water jug with a .338... DEFINITELY more lethal. Like I said in the post you selectively quoted, the .223 is not the most lethal.

I want you to remember something here, the person I'm discussing this with once made the claim that the .223 was "designed to tumble".
They are designed to tumble. From The Trace:

The bullet that struck U.S. Representative Steve Scalise last week was traveling at somewhere between 1,100 and 2,600 feet per second. The projectile, a 7.62 x 39 bullet, hit the House majority whip with between 370 and 1,550 foot-pounds of force. The rifle round, which is longer than a pistol projectile, likely also began tumbling after its point collided with his hip. That meant that the tip didn’t just bore straight through him, but rather that the whole length of the projectile rotated over and over through Scalise’s body, ripping a wider hole and distributing a bigger shock wave throughout his bones and tissue.

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/06/physics-deadly-bullets-assault-rifles/

Also confirmed to me by Gil Kerlikowske, SPD Chief, and my b-i-l, sergeant, Montgomery County Police. I'll take these experts' word for it over a keyboard cowboy who's never been in a gunfight.


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