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madcorgi 08-06-2019 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10549355)
Clearly you don't because neither of the things you posted state that the round is "designed to tumble" as you have said. Both state "it likely began tumbling upon striking bone"

As to your last sentence, seek medical help man... seriously.

Just responding to your claim that you could kill as many people with a shotgun. It was you, wasn't it? I get you, choco and everyone else mixed up because you all parrot the exact same talking points. Sorry for the mix up.

madcorgi 08-06-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10549428)
The big issue, we enter a discussion on what gun owners are willing to give away, and never get back. There is nothing in return, except the gun grabbers feel better, and see it as "the first step" on the long road of making gun ownership illegal.

Why give up that first step?

No one willing to commit murder of random strangers will give one tiny bit of thought about using a bomb like Boston or Oklahoma City. Or an airplane into a building like NYC, fire like in Japan, or a gun that is illegal with new restrictions.

I do not want the silliness of what was once Great Brittan where I can't get a knife and guns are just out of the question. No way!

So, what you are saying is that your gun hobby is more important than people being murdered daily. And you don't want to give up even the teeny tiniest part of your hobby to save anyone. Got it.

Yorkie 08-06-2019 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10549428)

I do not want the silliness of what was once Great Brittan where I can't get a knife and guns are just out of the question. No way!

We get by in the U.K. and Australia quite well without guns anymore but we never had the number of guns as the US. London has a terrible problem with knife attacks amongst the street gangs but if there was easy access to guns then the deaths would escalate whereas right now many of the knife victims recover. Australia banned guns after the Tasmania shooting and contrary to the argument that people will substitute another weapon argument it hasn’t occurred. My friends and family have never been in a gun fight or had to defend themselves against an attack with a gun. They just don’t need them. I’m sorry your neighborhood is so dangerous.

GH85Carrera 08-06-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10549442)
So, what you are saying is that your gun hobby is more important than people being murdered daily. And you don't want to give up even the teeny tiniest part of your hobby to save anyone. Got it.

Not at all.

I am saying there is simply saying NO gun law change will do one tiny bit of change. New gun laws are pointless, except to make politicians get to say see we did something! Look at prohibition or the war on drugs. Laws that accomplished nothing but locking up regular people.

The only laws that will make any difference, changes to HIPPA and mental health issues.

I am not willing to let the government have more rights to spy on us, or restrict the rights of Americans that are sane and not breaking any laws.

Go after the criminals big time. The only way to make a change that will have any effect is to change the 8th amendment for shooters. Leave the 1st and 2nd alone.

Eric Coffey 08-06-2019 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548968)
Not true. While it could be that you do not have a clue does not mean others do not. And, clearly solutions have been put forward, it's just that said solutions are not acceptable to you and your lofty virtue signalling standards. For example, one solution is for more people to carry lethal force. -noting that most mass shooters target people in "gun-free zones" places where no one is likely to quickly shoot back . -- any mass shootings at gun shows? No. - Yer Welcome.

+1

And it (more people carrying) is one solution that has actually been proven to be effective several times, including the stopping of multiple potential mass shootings.
The media just doesn't salivate over "good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun" stories like they do with "mass shootings"...

island911 08-06-2019 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10549316)
You still don't get how the Russia thing works, do you? I'll break it down: the Russians wanted Trump to get in because he is weak, stupid, and compromised. But they don't actually want him to succeed. Because--and this is important, john, so read it twice: Russia is our enemy. They want Trump in office because they want him to fail. So RT floods the web with crap like this.

Got it? Glad we had this talk.

You are delusional.

Everyone knew...including the Russians, that Hillary was going to win. --would be the next POTUS.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565121809.JPG


The Russians do what they always do; undermine political authority across the globe.

With RT and Putin specifically, the largest theme is "See, you're corrupt too." Which was PERFECT for Hilda.

So quit making stuff up, just because you want it to be true.

Arizona_928 08-06-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10549309)
They are designed to tumble. From The Trace:

The bullet that struck U.S. Representative Steve Scalise last week was traveling at somewhere between 1,100 and 2,600 feet per second. The projectile, a 7.62 x 39 bullet, hit the House majority whip with between 370 and 1,550 foot-pounds of force. The rifle round, which is longer than a pistol projectile, likely also began tumbling after its point collided with his hip. That meant that the tip didn’t just bore straight through him, but rather that the whole length of the projectile rotated over and over through Scalise’s body, ripping a wider hole and distributing a bigger shock wave throughout his bones and tissue.

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/06/physics-deadly-bullets-assault-rifles/

Also confirmed to me by Gil Kerlikowske, SPD Chief, and my b-i-l, sergeant, Montgomery County Police. I'll take these experts' word for it over a keyboard cowboy who's never been in a gunfight.


Also from the trace.... Gotta find you some better liberal sources


https://www.reddit.com/r/gunpolitics/comments/cmet6f/that_time_a_leftist_rag_accidentally_posted/?st=JZ09FFGV&sh=8240ecc6

Arizona_928 08-06-2019 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548968)
For example, one solution is for more people to carry lethal force. -noting that most mass shooters target people in "gun-free zones" places where no one is likely to quickly shoot back . -- any mass shootings at gun shows? No. - Yer Welcome.

First range day. Drill says "if any of you weirdos think about doing a school shooting on my range I will ****ing put you down.". Cycle goes without incident. Besides ****ty a2 that can't cycle m855a1. But I digress.

Armed society. Is a polite society

varmint 08-06-2019 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10549316)
You still don't get how the Russia thing works, do you? I'll break it down: the Russians wanted Trump to get in because he is weak, stupid, and compromised. But they don't actually want him to succeed. Because--and this is important, john, so read it twice: Russia is our enemy. They want Trump in office because they want him to fail. So RT floods the web with crap like this.

Got it? Glad we had this talk.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565123142.jpg

KFC911 08-06-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid (Post 10549544)
....

Armed society. Is a polite society

Legged society. Allows me to run like hell from folks I know who carry....all of them in Fl....imagine that ;). I can (open carry), never have/will, but one's around usually in my truck, etc. On my rural property....I'm very polite :).

Eric Coffey 08-06-2019 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkie (Post 10549451)
Australia banned guns after the Tasmania shooting and contrary to the argument that people will substitute another weapon argument it hasn’t occurred.

Can you explain why the suicide rate there is at an all-time high?
Or why other countries saw a similar decrease in violent crimes with no such gun ban in place?

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Originally Posted by Yorkie (Post 10549451)
My friends and family have never been in a gun fight or had to defend themselves against an attack with a gun.

Nor has the vast majority of anyone else from the US.
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Originally Posted by Yorkie (Post 10549451)
I’m sorry your neighborhood is so dangerous.

Actually, as a whole, "our" (US) neighborhoods are far less "dangerous" than those in the UK. You are TWICE as likely to become the victim of assault in the UK than you are in the US.

Chocaholic 08-06-2019 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10549350)
Yet I do understand what people who actually know what they are talking about say, keyboard cowboy. Sorry, their expertise outweighs your fantasies and politically biased arguments.

Still practicing your mass shooting with a shotgun and whatever else? Remember: If you are going to do the patented SIGW at the end, put the round in your head so your organs can be harvested.

While others are having a reasonable discussion, one poster consistently rants uncontrollably with emotional and in this case, violent tripe that belongs in PARF...it actually belongs nowhere at all. Where are the moderators when they’re needed?

Why do we have PARF when posters like this can pollute OT with their childish insults and disgusting vitriol? :rolleyes:

Time after time after time. There is simply no ability to engage in a civil dialogue. 3, 2, 1...;)

KFC911 08-06-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10549535)
You are delusional.

Everyone knew...including the Russians, that Hillary was going to win. --would be the next POTUS.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565121809.JPG


The Russians do what they always do; undermine political authority across the globe.

With RT and Putin specifically, the largest theme is "See, you're corrupt too." Which was PERFECT for Hilda.

So quit making stuff up, just because you want it to be true.

PARF bichez :)

Every damn one of us now!

BDS, ODS, HRCDS, TDS, PDS.....we have sucumbed....

Is there anyone over in PARF....why ;)?

tabs 08-06-2019 12:45 PM

Don't you Boyz know yet that you can not argue with the Lunatic Left? The micro chips implanted in their brains get the new talking points during the full moon phase of he Lunar cycle every month.

island911 08-06-2019 12:48 PM

Again, KC, the first reply to the OP
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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 10546220)
Realistically, it is not possible to discuss gun violence apolitically.


JavaBrewer 08-06-2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkie (Post 10549451)
We get by in the U.K. and Australia quite well without guns anymore but we never had the number of guns as the US. London has a terrible problem with knife attacks amongst the street gangs but if there was easy access to guns then the deaths would escalate whereas right now many of the knife victims recover. Australia banned guns after the Tasmania shooting and contrary to the argument that people will substitute another weapon argument it hasn’t occurred. My friends and family have never been in a gun fight or had to defend themselves against an attack with a gun. They just don’t need them. I’m sorry your neighborhood is so dangerous.

Australia's NFA had a compliance rate of 1/5. Prior to NFA they had 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) in the 18 years before the NFA. Since then 0 mass killings however crime rates were already on a downward trend prior to NFA. - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/

So not much mass shooting going on in AUS before 1/5 guns were taken. Now no mass shootings despite 4/5 of the guns still in public hands. Call my cynical but this is not a great case sample for gun grabbing in the US.

KFC911 08-06-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10549577)
Don't you Boyz know yet that you can not argue with the Lunatic Left?.....

I beg to differ :)

madcorgi 08-06-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 10549568)
While others are having a reasonable discussion, one poster consistently rants uncontrollably with emotional and in this case, violent tripe that belongs in PARF...it actually belongs nowhere at all. Where are the moderators when they’re needed?

Why do we have PARF when posters like this can pollute OT with their childish insults and disgusting vitriol? :rolleyes:

Time after time after time. There is simply no ability to engage in a civil dialogue. 3, 2, 1...;)

Wasn't it you who were bragging about being able to kill as many folks with a shotgun as with an AR15? Or was it your twin? I get you guys confused.

This thread was 10 pages into the ****er--with your help--before I posted anything.

KFC911 08-06-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10549578)
Again, KC, the first reply to the OP

I just use the drive-by....PARF to go ;)!

madcorgi 08-06-2019 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10549577)
Don't you Boyz know yet that you can not argue with the Lunatic Left? The micro chips implanted in their brains get the new talking points during the full moon phase of he Lunar cycle every month.

Did Mommy's Little Prince get a double dose of ritalin today?


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