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berettafan 08-05-2019 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548197)
Exactly. But we can lessen the lethality of mass shootings.
this is a reasonable and noble goal.

Arizona_928 08-05-2019 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548197)
Exactly. But we can lessen the lethality of mass shootings.
We're going around in circles. A tool is a tool.

That's like saying. Instead of HF, one is going to use HCL in an acid attack

madcorgi 08-05-2019 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid (Post 10548201)
We're going around in circles. A tool is a tool.

That's like saying. Instead of HF, one is going to use HCL in an acid attack
Are you OK with North Korea having nukes, then? They are only tools.

Eric Coffey 08-05-2019 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548017)
Weapons bans work great.
Wrong. The AWB of 1994 was completely ineffective.
Also: See current gun-crime stats in the most "restrictive" cities/states in the US.
Also: See Mexico.
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548017)
No other first world country on earth has the problems we have with mass shootings. All of them have strict controls and bans and on weapons. Their populations use the same internet, watch the same violent movies, and play the same video games as we do. And yet, not a single one of those countries has the same epidemic of mass shootings as we do. Not a single one.
Wrong again. The anti-2A crowd parrots this false "factoid" quite often. It is based on the Lankford study/paper, which has been thoroughly and successfully debunked/refuted.

madcorgi 08-05-2019 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 10548198)
I am stunned that anyone can sincerely question the impact of realistic violence depicted in movies/tv/video games of late.

common sense says when you desensitize a person to an act it becomes easier for said person to commit the act. abortion, murder, deviant sex, rape, etc etc. Every day Hollywood pumps out graphic murders in one movie and pie in the sky relationships/lifestyles in the next. remember when womens magazines bought crap for only glorifying thin women? we said it was destroying the mindset and confidence of girls who don't look like the models. it was a big deal. so you want to tell me THAT matters but THIS doesn't?

my kids come home from school worried about the world literally ending because of some nonsense get rich quick scheme thought up by unemployed liberals. then they see kids 'identifying' the other sex at school. on tv they hear men being congratulated for tucking their dicks between their legs and wearing panties.

Hollywood has profited from this insanity and yet when the price is paid for what they've sown I, as a firearm owner and enthusiast who has NEVER murdered anyone, am asked to give up my rights as compensation.

This is absolute lunacy.
Agree 100%.

Shaun @ Tru6 08-05-2019 01:45 PM
I would like to see new, never owned gun sales data over time. I know we saw a huge increase in gun sales when the Hatestream Media told everyone Obama was taking your guns away. I don't know what sales have been ever since. But I think data on new, never owned sales by firearm type would be interesting. Also sales by type to existing gun owners with owners ranked by number and type of firearms.

My hope is that gun owners are dying off and not being replaced by new ones.

john70t 08-05-2019 01:48 PM
How are those capitol city of London stabbing statistics coming along?

Just fine?
Yeah, so let's recreate that culture here?

Any argument must be based in reality..geesopetes

Shaun @ Tru6 08-05-2019 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 10548206)
Wrong. The AWB of 1994 was completely ineffective.
Also: See current gun-crime stats in the most "restrictive" cities/states in the US.
Also: See Mexico.

Wrong again. The anti-2A crowd parrots this false "factoid" quite often. It is based on the Lankford study/paper, which has been thoroughly and successfully debunked/refuted.
Massachusetts has the strictest gun laws in the country. It has the lowest gun violence rate in the country.

Mexico is a lawless state with a government based on corruption. I'm not sure why Mexico is used as an example. It's meaningless as an example.

john70t 08-05-2019 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10548208)
when the Hatestream Media told everyone Obama was taking your guns away.
Only one of five "right-wing" mega channels exists.

All the others..including Gulag and Faceplant..."platforms"...have banned most conservative news.
Stalin is back in vogue.


(didn't you want to re-phrase that question?)

Tobra 08-05-2019 01:55 PM
Taxachussetts is actually behind California and New Jersey with respect to how strict the gun laws are. Illinois is also in the top ten, seems like they have a lot of people getting shot there.

You need to take a less sophomoric approach to this. It is obviously not a simple problem, and it is quite apparent that gun control is not solving anything.
https://www.deseretnews.com/top/1428/0/10-states-with-the-strictest-gun-laws.html
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Why is banning guns stupid? It works everywhere else.
An insipid question and a fallacious statement.

Is that a personal attack?


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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10547823)
Terry, you need to work on your strawmen, they are weak and ineffectual.

Do you have anything to offer that is not ridiculous, has a possibility of mitigating the problem and has a chance of being enforced?
Not getting how this is a personal attack. Is it because I put his name in the post?

berettafan 08-05-2019 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10548208)
I would like to see new, never owned gun sales data over time. I know we saw a huge increase in gun sales when the Hatestream Media told everyone Obama was taking your guns away. I don't know what sales have been ever since. But I think data on new, never owned sales by firearm type would be interesting. Also sales by type to existing gun owners with owners ranked by number and type of firearms.

My hope is that gun owners are dying off and not being replaced by new ones.
believe me when I say the rest of us hope your way of thinking disappears as well.

cabmandone 08-05-2019 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548162)
Why is banning guns stupid? It works everywhere else.
It doesn't work everywhere else. As I pointed out, it simply shifts the needle in a different direction. There is no utopia... there is no "safe space" Every developed nation suffers from mass murder whether it's by bomb, truck or gun... it happens everywhere. So no, banning guns doesn't work.

madcorgi 08-05-2019 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10548211)
How are those capitol city of London stabbing statistics coming along?

Just fine?
Yeah, so let's recreate that culture here?

Any argument must be based in reality..geesopetes
Anyone in London stabbed and killed 9 folks in 30 seconds like the guy in Dayton?

madcorgi 08-05-2019 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548221)
It doesn't work everywhere else. As I pointed out, it simply shifts the needle in a different direction. There is no utopia... there is no "safe space" Every developed nation suffers from mass murder whether it's by bomb, truck or gun... it happens everywhere. So no, banning guns doesn't work.
I'm not seeking a utopia. Just looking to reduce the lethality of mass shootings.

cabmandone 08-05-2019 02:04 PM
^^^ Nope! They just jump in a truck and run them over. Same result.... different tool.

cabmandone 08-05-2019 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548227)
I'm not seeking a utopia. Just looking to reduce the lethality of mass shootings.
Point being, that's simply not going to happen by banning a certain platform of gun. And when it doesn't work, do we continue to erode our freedom by banning the next flavor of the month? Where does it stop. Want to reduce the the death count? Figure out how to get people to stop hating other people.

Yorkie 08-05-2019 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10548211)
How are those capitol city of London stabbing statistics coming along?

Just fine?
Yeah, so let's recreate that culture here?

Any argument must be based in reality..geesopetes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

UK Homicide rate per 100K population - 1.20
US Homicide rate per 100K population - 5.30

Shaun @ Tru6 08-05-2019 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 10548220)
believe me when I say the rest of us hope your way of thinking disappears as well.
You are part of the Hollywoodization problem. You are, in a small way, part of the reason people shoot other people.

But please, lets see more pics of your cool guns. SmileWavy

Chocaholic 08-05-2019 02:08 PM
Hollywood will surely point its bony finger at the WH while continuing to churn out an endless supply of shocking and horrific depictions far beyond anything a reasonable person could ever imagine...until it becomes normal and acceptable.

john70t 08-05-2019 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548224)
Anyone in London stabbed and killed 9 folks in 30 seconds like the guy in Dayton?
Here are some non-gun London crimes to sip on (it's quite a long read):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London

And Paris (btw did you get to walk around the "no-go zones" with the wife and kids?) :
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565042783.png


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