I’d agree to age 45 + for AR ownership.

Or even all members of household 45+ for AR ownership.

The idea that we can fend off a hostile US govt is a joke now. It will never happen. Even if we did have a rogue govt bullets won’t likely be the fix. And if they are it won’t be about actual defeating of govt armies but rather symbolic disobedience. This could be achieved with any firearms.

Disagree.

"a hostile US govt " would be comprised of a relatively small number of tyrants.

consider even Hilter's Germany. People on the inside, and at various levels revolted against his power. What was that movie.. Valkyrie https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985699/

and also..

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I just saw a brief video of The Orange Man Bad claiming that violent video games are a contributor to real violence and that they should be dealt with. Guess that bisch doesn't pay attention to stats that say otherwise. :)

At what cost?

Already we have "SWATings" where good people have been killed, pets killed, traumatized surviving spouse..

And now, with the Deranged Left calling everyone they don't like "Hitler" ... yeah, RIPE for abuse.

Let's have more Ruby Ridges... Great for ratings!

What if someone owns an airplane - say a crop-duster. Can that be confiscated if a feuding neighbor 1984's the guy? --I mean report the pilot as being suspicious.

What about commercial truck drivers?

What about people who can rent a U-haul.

The thing is, if someone is actually a known crazed mass murder threat then how in the world should they be allowed to walk free? I mean, how's that go? Oh right, we've seen how that's gone with at least one school murderer. So many systems failed to put the loon in an institution.

I would like to add red flag laws work in theory... just not in real life. If someone is suicidal they'll kill themselves with a plastic bag, or belt. police coming and taking ones firearms aren't gonna prevent that. Serious BH problems where you express harm to self or others when reported are followed up with copers. Inpatient with care... it's a bandaid to the real issues. AND since they self admitted they can fill out a 4473 truthfully. If the atf added the self admittence plus a thorough follow up. Legal and fair. (won't happen) it might stop. hell if they added the line; are you suicidal, feel like harming yourself or others on the 4473. it would prolly stop that garlic fest shooting (should the sob be truthful)...

those things won't happen.. change the definition of what an assault rifle is and ban them. you'll see dc snipers popping up again.

Red flag laws would be terrifying and mark the end of any real freedom in this country. They would very much hasten the spiral into complete madness.

There is already distrust between the people and govt. red flag laws would create mistrust between neighbors.

And the court system would sort that out. A false claim will be easy to expose... and when exposed there's nothing that would stop someone from suing the person making the false claim. People will undoubtedly abuse this kind of law, and when they do there should be stiff penalties for doing so and by stiff I mean jail time.

how do you expose a false claim of 'I think that guy may be unstable'?

how do you expose a false claim of 'I heard him threaten to shoot up a mall'?

it's not quite the same as 'he backed into my car' is it?

The way I see it; yes, the people would eventually lose the war.

But the cost would not be the same. It raises the threshold for trampling on freedom.

There would be a process where the accuser would obviously have to produce some proof and if upon an investigation it is found there is no proof to support the claim the accuser could face legal consequences.

It seems to me that the argument "we can't do that because someone might abuse it" could be applied to repealing the 2A. "we have to repeal it because it is being abused"

You want an "offensive weapon" (I have an arsenal of defensive spoons ....yes, I know ;)), then prove yer not a nutcase and are mature...say 70'ish....or at least old enough to drink :(.

Pass a CCW class, etc. Hell, I dunno....doing nothing sux..

You can have all the ARs, autos, 30/100 magizines, etc you want....with more reasonable controls....how?

Otherwise....the pendulum will swing...

I have been restricted my whole life regarding the 2A....we all have. I want just a few more....is it a panacea....of course not.
The extremism on both ends are the hurdles imo.

meanwhile the victims guns are piled up at a police station somewhere and his neighbors that saw the confiscation are whispering about it?

and what remedy would the victim have against the accuser?

and how would you deal with a call to the local police in which the caller insists his neighbor swore he'd shoot up a grocery store but also admits he has no proof of this comment? since there can be no proof and it is a he said/she said there can be no action on this right?

Hypothetically:
If a group wanted to do harm to an individual, the first thing they could do is make a false claim and have the police remove all protections.

(hint:that applies on the macro as well)

Are you an attorney? Because that's the only way I could see being pro "Red Flag" (new) laws. That is, it will be a boon for the legal industry. I mean, divorce attorneys have easy revenue potential, think of this! Cah-CHING!

Courts have enough work already. And there is currently is no law prohibiting people from ringing alarm bells. Again, we had the somewhat recent Florida killer who --the one with the ridiculous Sheriff and the microphone Hogg. Anyway, that nut-job was flagged six-ways from Sunday (so to speak) and yet ...

Yep. Lawfare. (warfare by abusing laws)

The most recent big example being the Russia hoax. Dem's Red-Flagged Trump as a Russian operative/stooge so they could access and harass him legally.(Lawfare) Super powerful man and what was his recourse?

Red-flag laws are a recipe for abuse.

Nope! Dad said he'd write any of the kids out of the will if they became attorneys. I would support a red flag law because I believe there is potential for it to stop someone from carrying out a mass shooting. Like I said, sure it "could" be abused... but if the argument is "don't do it because someone will abuse it", then the argument of "get rid of the 2A because people do abuse it" is a valid argument.

The argument of "ban the AR-15" is also valid if we view this from a standpoint of the 2A being abused by people. Why shouldn't we ban it? People are abusing it.. right?