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Did Shaun really type that stupidity?

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10548256)

Trump's rhetoric has been one of violence since the very day he declared is candidacy. In fact his first day was based on violence and has been ever since. People love it, it's just like being in your own reality TV show, and Trump knows it. He's as dumb as a brick but he knows how to manipulate people via TV. His presidency is a reality TV show. Great ratings.

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 10548258)

This is pure nonsense.

Pure emo idiocy. ...TDS.

Now he'll start calling for PARF.

Banning all guns allows for only the strong to survive:
-Women the young and the elderly would become helpless, especially against a group of males.
-As would the poor who are unable to afford gated communities, private bodyguards, or other security measures.
-Those without exclusive government/police patrols ties or immediate protection.

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548242)

Got any data, or is that just your emotional response?

LOL, says the guy who makes emotional non-factual responses with zero data. But sure, you can start here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3238736

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548242)

See: Every country in Europe. Hey, this is fun!

Over the last 10 years, Norway, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Finland and the Czech Republic all have higher per-capita death rates from mass-shootings, as well as higher frequency rates.

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548242)

I am not familiar the Lankford paper, nor am I anti-2A. I am aware of what is available online in other countries, however, having spent time in Europe and Asia. It is as I claim.

Not disputing the availability of info online, only the "doesn't happen in any other country" part. Regarding the Lankford paper, see above.

yeah this is parf to begin with. but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 10547950)

The urge to act, to "ban" something quickly follows. We all know how well the War on Drugs/Terror/Poverty/Abortion/Etc. worked. The Assault Weapons Ban ftw?

Banning some things like poverty and terror are just rhetorical bull****ting.

Abortion is an act. For the purposes of this discussion, if I had the leftist mindset and wanted to stop abortion I would try to outlaw the private ownership of knives.

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548288)

Uhmmm.... Have you not seen DC?

Baltimore
Los Angeles
New Orleans
Chicago
Etc

I’ve pointed out numerous times that if you factor out these leftist run cities we are about Canadian in our crime levels.

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10548293)

Pure emo idiocy. ...TDS.

Now he'll start calling for PARF.

I like the way Trump parfs his hair....do I have TDS?

Here PARF...come 'ere girl....good dawgy :)!

if I'm a Dem in congress I think I'm thinking detachable mags on rifles are the best target.

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10548305)

I like the way Trump parfs his hair....do I have TDS?

Here PARF...come 'ere girl....good dawgy :)!

Is this You? :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565045218.jpg

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548278)

And I posted earlier that the reality is, all banning a certain weapon does is move the needle in another direction.

If that's true, why ban full auto weapons? Why prevent private citizens from owning Stinger missiles? F15s? Suitcase nukes? You like to draw lines--where does that one go?

And, in that vein, why are we bothering NK about their nukes? It's not the weapon, it's the person, right?

Because the lethality of weapons matters. Even if you make someone mad or crazy enough to kill, they still need to find a way to do it. Removing the most effective ways lessens the carnage.

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548278)

This second half is a talking point more so than a reality. At no point did Trump's action on diverting funds infringe on a constitutional right.

Wrong. The power of the purse resides with Congress under the constitution. Well, used to. Until the activist trump judges decided it all resides in the executive. (Only until a Democrat gets elected.)

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548278)

I don't refuse to take reasonable gun safety measures. I don't see where banning one platform will make any real difference in the end. The person bent on killing can't buy an AR... so they buy two 9mm's with a double stack and a shotgun with an extended magazine, load it with a very lethal round (00) and do the same job.

Better practice those moves. Remember, you gotta kill 9 and wound a dozen more in 30 seconds to match the body count of an amateur using an AR15. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548278)

Banning one platform isn't going to do anything of any real meaning. The only real way to move the needle in this instance is to severely reduce our freedom as a society and accept that we are constantly being watched. (1984 ring any bells?)

Hate to break it to you, but we're at 1984 already. Allowing us to have guns is just a sop to give us the illusion that we have power and control over the government. We don't. So we use those guns on each other.

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10548249)

Terry,
I understand what you're saying and it's a noble thought. But we talk about mass shootings like it's the leading cause of deaths as a result of gun violence in this country when it's simply not. It's terrible when someone goes out and kills 30 people at one time... but is it more terrible than 30 people being killed in the same weekend in different cities in different incidents? It's certainly more shocking and I get that. But to think we're somehow going to be "safer" as a result of banning a certain type of weapon just isn't realistic.

The title of this thread is "Recent mass shootings what's going on?" I'm responding to that. I'm not proposing to end all human violence for all eternity, or end killings with fists, bottles, frozen legs of lamb, or any of the other silliness you guys have suggested. Not looking to have everyone join hands and sing kumbaya. Just answering the question, which should have been posted in PARF, for obvious reasons.

At least, by posting it here, we had fewer of the PARF village idiots posting memes and cartoons, talking about their latest gay sex slur, posting peoples' private info here, making death threats, or posting under three different aliases.

We get it corgi, It's all too much logic to handle. Ya tilt

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.33 x 8 @ 1100 to 1600 fps.. Figure it out. It's more lethal in a close quarters situation than a single bullet and the shooter would have to fire about 8 times to equal what would be shot per trigger pull through a semi automatic shotgun. An AR is not the most effective tool.

Doesn't matter. It's the consensus favorite.

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Originally Posted by madcorgi (Post 10548160)

Eureka! You've solved our mass shootings crisis!

Uh, no. I merely pointed to evidence which suggests your statement that other countries drug their young citizens as frequently as we do is incorrect.

I’m prepared to accept that the problem is multi-faceted. It seems that many people are not.