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			I cancelled my subscription to Automobile when they did a hit piece on Mitt Romney just before the 2012 election.  I didn't want politics in my car magazines.  I would have held on to the bitter end if they actually provided content I wanted to read.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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 We had a good distributor that estimated our sales and paid us on the on-sale date for half of the estimated sales. We got the rest 3-6 months later. We had one of the best sell-through percentages at 40-45%. Some magazines see 80-90% of the copies they ship end up in the shredder. We had a different business model, relying on subscriptions for 90% of our income. We spent our money on promoting subscription sales rather than on ad sales staff and paper and ink that was just going to be shredded. Our retail magazines were only on very select newsstands where sell-through was high. OK you are all probably bored to death by now.... 
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			I only read print magazines, and newspapers (hardly ever access online news sources). I had a previous job where for 9 years, I operated the console on a Harris 8 unit web/offset press printing our local newspaper, and several others...I enjoyed the job, but not the benefits/pay package. I belive their circulation is down to half of what it was 20 years ago.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			Automobile is the only one I’ll miss, they improved pretty substantially over the last few years.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			I haven't really read Automobile since the DED days when Jean was still an associate editor. Miss that immensely. Haven't kept up in recent years.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Crap. Here we go again. My Autoweek subscription is paid through May 2021. I just renewed my Dad's Automobile subscription, and I still have a subscription which goes sometime into 2021.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Sigh.  I had an Automobile "please renew" notice on my desk.  Kept it, thinking I'd send a check.  No need now.  Memories of the David E. years, when they were neck & neck with R&T in my book.  I left R&T after Peter Egan left...he the best automotive writer of that time period.  
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
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			I 2nd GRM is pretty good, I like the Classic version too. I liked Automobile too, although I'm losing interest in most newer stuff. Its cool to know whats out there but really have no interest in the exotic stuff, other than to gawk at the photos, or suv's. Oh well, I have plenty of stuff to do without having to catchup on old magazine.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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