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astrochex 12-09-2020 12:18 PM

I didn't watch it, but who is the source of the video?

If its not the FIA, then I would assert its only speculation.

GH85Carrera 12-09-2020 12:37 PM

Please one of you F1 inside guys or someone that follows it closely, post what the FIA has to say after the full investigation. With the remains of the car, and all the sensor readouts and full access to all the video they will not be speculating. It will be much like an airplane crash.

Won 12-10-2020 02:31 AM

The full report will *likely* remain confidential at the level of technical directors and FIA safety committee. We can expect something like this to be made available publicly, following the F2 accident last year: https://www.fia.com/news/fia-concludes-investigation-formula-2-accident-spa-francorchamps

The usual no-BS race report, including what went wrong with the pitstop:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/WG7TP1lARDM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

astrochex 12-10-2020 03:44 AM

^Brilliant video.

I love the explanation of the sensor issues and the resolution. Russell having to deal with that in the way he did makes his performance even more impressive.

The double-stack radio issue was also fascinating. Talk about an improbably issue, sheesh. Kudos to Allison for standing behind his guys in how they worked through the stops.

legion 12-10-2020 06:08 AM

I have no doubt that Mercedes has already designed and implemented a solution for the radio issue.

matthewb0051 12-10-2020 09:18 AM

Hammy is driving this weekend. News just announced.

Normal service resumed. No more Mercedes F-ups in the pits. And certainly no more fun or a reason to watch. I'll set the DVR again and get to it if the mode strikes.

legion 12-10-2020 09:28 AM

Question (that I honestly don't know the answer to): Why did James Allison leave Ferrari? I know the public statements, but I also know they were total bunk.

Noah930 12-10-2020 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 11136730)
Hammy is driving this weekend. News just announced.

Normal service resumed. No more Mercedes F-ups in the pits. And certainly no more fun or a reason to watch. I'll set the DVR again and get to it if the mode strikes.

That's a bit of a shame. Glad that Hamilton is healthy, but I think we all (other than the Hamilton clan and maybe Bottas) wanted to see Russell get another shot in the Mercedes.

GH85Carrera 12-10-2020 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noah930 (Post 11136917)
That's a bit of a shame. Glad that Hamilton is healthy, but I think we all (other than the Hamilton clan and maybe Bottas) wanted to see Russell get another shot in the Mercedes.

I agree 100%. Oh well.

Deschodt 12-10-2020 02:43 PM

If you have not seen it, Sainz and norris looks back on the past 2 years as muppets... They're really good buddies, it's nice to see especially considering the toxic culture of McLaren's past. They're cool now...

https://youtu.be/ocT5FRLq6fA

chapo 12-10-2020 03:50 PM

Hammy back frees up my Sunday morning, no need to watch.

URY914 12-10-2020 04:38 PM

Just sayin'.....

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a34916402/f1-conspiracy-theory-of-the-week-says-mercedes-sabotaged-russells-tires-on-purpose/

matthewb0051 12-10-2020 04:44 PM


He's saying what everyone is thinking. Everyone but the hardcore Hamilton fans that is

Rtrorkt 12-10-2020 07:21 PM

I’m getting tired of the “it must be a conspiracy” attitude. The simplest answer is usually the best. In this case quick call, overlapped communication leads to a screw up.

Oh wait, I know. HAM called from his hotel and told Toto to throw a monkey wrench into Russel’s. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

livi 12-10-2020 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chapo (Post 11137339)
Hammy back frees up my Sunday morning, no need to watch.

Yup. Just like that the entertainment value went from 100 to 0.

matthewb0051 12-11-2020 06:48 AM

Anyone else see Hamilton's outfit when he showed up at Yas Marina?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607701623.jpg

I think I know who's closet he has been raiding

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607701684.jpg

matthewb0051 12-11-2020 09:21 AM

This may be the most fun driver lineup on the grid. They are arguing over the pronunciation of Mariah Carey. Carlos says in Spanish it is Maria Caree

Its like two 8th grade boys

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607710873.jpg

sammyg2 12-11-2020 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 11137945)
Anyone else see Hamilton's outfit when he showed up at Yas Marina?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607701623.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607712779.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607712779.jpg

matthewb0051 12-11-2020 11:17 AM

Came across this analysis of the Grosjean shunt. The images are stunning. Seb and Danny Ric should look away. :cool:

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legion 12-11-2020 01:02 PM

I think that I know what Hamilton was really doing last week...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3sYyDAs0Uxo" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Captain Ahab Jr 12-11-2020 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11135639)
Please one of you F1 inside guys or someone that follows it closely, post what the FIA has to say after the full investigation. With the remains of the car, and all the sensor readouts and full access to all the video they will not be speculating. It will be much like an airplane crash.

Not based on any inside info. so will be as interested as you to read the FIA investigation findings and recommendations

This is my theory of why the chassis broke the way it did ie tearing the LH rear corner out of the chassis and exposing the fuel cell.

Engine and chassis were subjected to a massive lateral bending load from the impact of hitting the barrier at an angle, did read it was around 50g which is a huge load

RH engine studs to the chassis failed in tension first which then subjected the chassis to a large compressive load on the LH side. Yellow circle below are the engine RH upper and mid engine mtgs. Looks a clean break of the mtgs studs compared to the LH side where the engine is still attached to the rear corner section of the chassis that tore off

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607728208.jpg

As a composite structures weaker side is always the compressive side its natural this side of the chassis would fail first which is shown by the diagonally failure across the fuel area of the chassis ie the carbon skinned aluminium honeycomb sandwich panel area of chassis between the drivers seat back bulkhead and rear engine bulkhead

Red dotted line is roughly where the failure is, blue circle is the fuel cell hole

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607727516.jpg

This failure area would also have been helped from the fuel cell round opening and from the stiffness change or stress concentration created by the end of the below thick bonded on zylon panel. The FIA introduced this extra protection to improve safety in regards to cockpit penetration from nose and rear impact structure impacts

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607724974.jpg

Can see the FIA introducing a change to the side zylon panel regs so it ends at the engine bulkhead instead of just behind the seat back bulkhead. As well as reducing the diameter of the fuel cell hole or moving it to a less exposed place like the seat back cockpit ???? Both changes would be impossible to implement for 2021

Any questions please ask away and I'll make up some more stuff for your reading entertainment ;)

astrochex 12-11-2020 03:28 PM

Thats a fascinating and plausible theory, Captain. Interesting to learn about Zylon too.

What kind of layup patterns are used for the Zylon and for the carbon monocoque? How many plies of carbon fiber (?) are typically on the side of the cockpit?

Thanks for providing your insight.

GH85Carrera 12-11-2020 04:53 PM

Thanks Captain.

Now next question. What did The new Russian driver Mazapan or whatever do in Instagram that was so horrible? I don’t have a Instagram account. The F1 announcers danced around it during P1.

WPOZZZ 12-11-2020 05:00 PM

Mazepin posted a video of him groping a female passenger's breast. She flipped him off. More dollars than sense.

GH85Carrera 12-11-2020 05:18 PM

F1 2020 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ (Post 11138835)
Mazepin posted a video of him groping a female passenger's breast. She flipped him off. More dollars than sense.


Ah, so a Billionaire’s young son out partying. How shocking.

David 12-11-2020 05:36 PM

I found the video of Mazepin after the Sky Sports guys were making such a big deal about it today. Seems like friends out having fun and no big deal. The girl was obviously not concerned with showing a little skin and Mazepin kind of appeared to be covering her breasts from the camera while jokingly copping a feel. Of course I’m a dirty old man so what do I know.

URY914 12-12-2020 01:48 AM

I saw the video too. He's stupid to post it but other than that no real harm was done.

matthewb0051 12-12-2020 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11138831)
Thanks Captain.

Now next question. What did The new Russian driver Mazapan or whatever do in Instagram that was so horrible? I don’t have a Instagram account. The F1 announcers danced around it during P1.

I was watching Sky Sports News earlier in the week, usually on NBCSN from 10 am eastern for an hour or two (unless they are showing a rerun of Mecum trailer park auction).

Anyway, they were going ballistic about it, as though he had killed, maimed or raped.

matthewb0051 12-12-2020 05:51 AM

This is the Haas team statement about the post

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607784692.jpg

Rtrorkt 12-12-2020 05:54 AM

VER on pole

TheMentat 12-12-2020 12:05 PM

the guy drives like a thug:

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Noah930 12-12-2020 12:57 PM

^^^ When your dad's a Russian billionaire, what's the big deal?

rfuerst911sc 12-12-2020 01:09 PM

Looks like Mclaren are selling a 560 million dollar share of the company to an American consortium . Supposed to be announced tomorrow before the race .

Reg 12-12-2020 05:12 PM

Did anyone else see Alonso driving the v10 2005 championship car yesterday? Competitive times and that amazing sound. Wow.

URY914 12-12-2020 05:38 PM

Found this.......

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607827058.jpg

gumby 12-13-2020 04:43 AM

As ugly as the Halo is it saved Grosjean's life

GH85Carrera 12-13-2020 05:01 AM

Yep, the halo debate is over. I would hope the other open wheel race series mandate it soon. Much like the fire proof race suit, seatbelt, helmet, and HANS device are required in all racing. Hopefully coming soon to Indy car, and all series of open wheel racing.

astrochex 12-13-2020 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11140412)
Yep, the halo debate is over. I would hope the other open wheel race series mandate it soon. Much like the fire proof race suit, seatbelt, helmet, and HANS device are required in all racing. Hopefully coming soon to Indy car, and all series of open wheel racing.

Indycar already has an upper cockpit protection solution. It has been going through refinements to improve driver comfort.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/auto...dixon_0204.jpg

yellowperil 12-13-2020 07:26 AM

Abu Dhabi
 
"dullest race in the history of the world"

rfuerst911sc 12-13-2020 08:14 AM

Happy for Max but the race was like watching steel rust ☹️ . Boring !!!


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