That would be the other great thing to see. Fire both the HAAS drivers and go with Perez and Hulkenburg.

We'd certainly know if it is the drivers or the car.

Considering Leclerc and Vettel are bringing up the rear of the field in similarly powered F-slugs, I'd say it's more the the car than the drivers.

I'm certainly no F1 insider, but were I Guenther, I'd pick the Hulk and Checo for my drivers.

Trust me, it's the car (and the team.)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601085270.jpg

Not real but funny

That's hilarious.

Wait, can we still say retard?

So it’s MAG eh?

GP today is reporting Kimi has signed with Alpha for one more year . He deserves a fairwell tour if he wants one .

it is the MOTOR

the teams was doing OK before the motor was restricted by rule
as shown by Alfa and the red guys drop also

Ham pulling off Q2 was amazing. As for Kimi, I guess he still wants to race in F1, even if it is in a pig of a car.

Yep. Back to the wall, still got it done. Bottas in third without any of the issues.

His race is somewhat compromised by having to start on soft tires.

Slows down to make space for his run, and crosses the start line with one second to go! If Bono hadn't told him to get on it, I wonder if he would have made it.

Drivers can now only wear race suits on the podium. The suits must be done up to the neck.

Well that was a different result

Three take aways from todays race IMO
 

1. Even though I'm a Ham fan, he is a sore loser. Take it like a man, man!
2. Karun Chandhok is becoming quite a good commentator. I like him.
3. Sky sports should provide better masks for their commentators. Those flimsy hospital masks look rather cheap IMO

I agree Karun is turning into a good commentator . He is smart , speaks clearly and not overly excited .

I think I could take the front wheel off the car with more class than Carlos Sainz. That little incident didn't even measure up to a rookie mistake. I'm happy for once the dunce of the day didn't eliminate another innocent.

Stroll? Well, he didn't really deserve getting side punched. Did they issue a penalty to Leclerc? Apparently not. That was a classic Dale Earnhardt dunce move. Earnhardt was nothing more than a very talented bully.

So, if I'm Stroll, I'm aiming for Leclerc first opportunity. Hey, no penalty so why not?

I'm in agreement with you on Earnhardt,

I just wish he wouldn't roll his R's so much.

Please, LeClerc did not take Stroll out. Stroll moved into LeClerc.

A typical F1 start incident.

If you are on the outside in the turn it's very unlikely that you can achieve an instant decreasing radius and maintain grip. If the driver on the inside can see more than half of the car on the outside, the corner belongs to the outside car.

Therefore, Stroll did not move differently than any driver would in that part of the corner. On the flip side, if the inside car's driver is greedy and stupid, then he doesn't realize he can't stay on his line without the arc of his turn eclipsing the arc of the first car.

2 cars don't share the same pace well at the same time. There is no argument about this. Leclerc did not drive the corner well or he wouldn't have been being passed on the outside. If Stroll was the greedy one and going in too hot, he sure as hell couldn't have shortened his turn. If Leclerc was so slow that Stroll could have shortened his turn, then he was just plain in the way.

If you're that slow, get out of the way. Or wreck the guy like a Dale Earnhardt.

He does it 'cause he can, I would if I could. I'm French but can't roll. I practise on the French word for "King" roi. Very difficile.

“To my critics and to whom it may concern, **** you.”

V. Bottas. 9/27/2020

Another race I shortened into 15 minutes worth of snippets.

Gawd, I hope 2021 doesn't end up being as boring as this season. It's Mercedes, who can only beat themselves it seems, and then the rest of them.

Milt, I totally agree with you re: LeClerc. He needs to generally clean up his act.

Got home from Mass and went on social media to find Hammy saying to Sky Sports that in essence they are out to get him. As someone said earlier in this thread... take it like a man.

My give a ****e level is really low at this point. I saw the first 20ish laps, went to church and couldn't be bothered to rewind. I love this sport but it's gotten to be not so much fun anymore.

Oh and I recall Toto saying after the Canada Vettle 5 second mess... Rules are rules. I guess that's only if the incident doesn't involve a Mercedes driver/car

F1 fans should enjoy this, https://www.giorgiopiola.com/collections/formula-1-art-prints

After rewatching LeClerc/Stroll, LeClerc is doing what every other F1 driver does by not accommodating side by side racing within the confines if the track.

Bizarre contrast on radios - paraphrasing :

HAM: the stewards are trying to stop me, wahhh waaah - poor me

RIC: I screwed up, sorry, I’ll go faster

BOT: y’all can %%#% off (on his easiest and not particularly deserved win)

No wonder I prefer Ricciardo.

I found the perfect way to watch it, I read a book with the race on without volume.

Thee was quite a lot of action in the race particularly in the lower ranks. Hamilton had to make a number of passes to get back up to 3rd after his 10 second penalty.
If you want almost constant overtaking attempts throughout a race, watch the BTCC ( British Touring Car Championship) racing, it's really exciting stuff, and the races are only 15 laps so within the compass of American attention spans

I don't think the stewards are out to get Hamilton. I think anyone who practiced two race starts outside of the designated are would have been so penalized. It sounds like he got (really) bad advice from his team.

That said, they certainly were out to get him during the 2007 and 2008 seasons, so it's not like his paranoia is unwarranted. I do think there have been a number of reforms made on the race steward front since then that have significantly reduced both their ability and propensity to act in a political manner. It used to be quite common to see them penalize other teams so that Ferrari could benefit--even if Ferrari were clearly at fault for whatever had happened.

I was surprised he didn't play the R-card.
Maybe saving it for his social media.

Hamilton is a phenomenal driver. He's my absolute favorite driver.

I used to just ignore his off-track antics, but he's started to bring them to the race (which I strongly dislike). There's a reason why there's a lady with a backpack that follows him around, and that's to keep him in a good mental space so that he wins races. Hopefully she sets him straight with regards to the stewards. Otherwise, there's a good chance that he singlehandedly loses the championship.

I'm not clear on why he was penalized. He was "too far" down the pit lane to practice a start. No definition of "too far." No markings that I could see to define any limits.

Seems like a gray area that would have been better handled with a reprimand, or at least the team questioning it.

It's my understanding that there was a designated area. I'm not sure how or if it was marked.

It's not marked and it is my understanding that it's up to the track if they want to paint a marked area for such.

But it had been discussed and all the drivers knew where the correct area was.

Just Ham being Ham IMHO.

Well, as it turns out, LeClerc himself said he understeered into Stroll while following Perez through the corner.

Or did he just go in too hot!? 😁

+1

Seems to be his M.O. Composed and "humble" when he's on the top step, but a whiney B when he's not.

I loved the post-race interview when Johnny Herbert basically issued Hammy an "alright, piss off then." in his own round-about way.