I agree that China is a huge problem. And will continue to be moving forward.

The US is trying to take full advantage of it's NG glut and is building multiple NG export facilities.

AFAIK, Both are the end product of hydrocarbon-based plant material which piled up in mountains.
It did not break down due to lack of compatible bacteria.

Methane is just little critter farts eating everything.

https://www.quora.com/When-was-coal-invented
Coal was formed from the remains of vegetation that grew as long as 400 million years ago. Most of our coal was formed about 300 million years ago, when much of the earth was covered by steamy swamps.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Oil_formation
70% of oil deposits existing today were formed in the Mesozoic age (252 to 66 million years ago), 20% were formed in the Cenozoic age (65 million years ago), and only 10% were formed in the Paleozoic age...

If anything, the slowdown over there can only help.


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You've never owned a TDI. Around 500 miles per fill up (12 gallons of diesel) on a ALH... That's with a big turbo, and majority of the time WOT.... 40 mpg. I would get more if I turn down my IP. High 40's MPG is not unheard of. Especially with the standard.
My mk7 tdi would get 44-45 mpg religously.

My 928 does not have a LS1. :rolleyes: try again. I avg mid/lower teens. Not bad for a 376 V8. To answer your question. I do not daily drive my 928. SmileWavy

It's a majority if the remainder is meted out in segments smaller than 38%.....

:rolleyes:

Our education system at work.

Another member of the 27 is greater than 34 crowd.

China isn't the only problem, so is India... and others

part of the problem in China is that the central govt. wants to reduce coal use, but many (not most!! maybe a majority or a plenary number...) want to maintain coal use ($$ and jobs)

Al Gebra is the most feared of all Middle Eastern thugs

And "sagging", as well.

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What about the International Energy Agency? Are they in league with big coal? They put out the above. I’m starting to think the subject is so political that the actual numbers are not easily known. I still hold to coal and it’s derivatives as the the main source of energy.

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Got to drive this today. It was pretty fun, but it used a good bit of Kw in a short test drive...

Below from the Institute for Energy Research.....

Despite Large Investment in Renewable Energy, Coal Dominates Worldwide Generation

IER
4 months ago
Despite renewable energy investment more than tripling globally during the current decade compared to the last 10-year period, most of the power delivered to the world’s electric grids during the recent decade was from coal. In fact, coal is still the world’s largest source of electricity, providing 38% of world electrical generation in 2018, about the same as 1997.

Never occurred to me to try and make them sweeter.

Unless of course, he is not wrong.

More important than not having nice things is not having nice people. It is like the great philosopher, Patrick Swayze, said in the classic motion picture, "Roadhouse"

Be nice.

Never forget, mean people suck.

This is where you went wrong. Coal does not supply the majority (over 50%) of the world's power. Coal does not supply the majority (over 50%) of generated electricity.

Yes, it is a major player just not the majority.

Thing is, I don’t care if he calls me stupid. To do so is a sign of weakness.

Again, it’s a highly charged political issue which is why you find sources saying two different things.

So this outfit, Institute of Energy Research is really Big Coal? Okay...

That chart doesn't show coal being over 50%.. Closer to about 30%, probably less.

This is the same data but showing % of total production for each source. There is also the actual data set so you can calculate the absolute for each if you wish.

Eyeballing the chart

Oil is about 35% of the total
Biofuels and waste at 10%
Nuke and renewable 5%
Natural gas at about 20%
Coal near 30%




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Don't confuse coal electrical generation at 38% (per your own post) with total power generation that includes oil where coal is nearer 25 to 30% (per your own chart).

Just a guess but I think the oil in total power is automotive related which isn't electricity generation though it is power generation.

others seem to conflate energy with electrical grid.

Clearly oil is used for largely for rolling and shipping power.

For electrical grid, coal is the likely fuel. ergo, many Teslas are burning coal.

Coal is 38% of worldwide electrical generation.(per his link)

I prefer to use EIA though their data will be very close to the numbers he is showing.

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According to EIA you are more likely to power your Tesla in the US with natural gas produced electricity.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1579840318.jpg

Actually the most likely way you get power is a local mix. In Oregon and Washington you will get a mix with hydro power being the largest contributor by far.

yeah, the upper left coast is an anomaly.

Across the country the mix is primarily hydrocarbons burned ... solid, liquid, gas... But at least the Tesla battery metals are also mined.

Probably the best video on the subject on YouTube. No fan boy BS... Well worth the time.

(The auto pilot had two issues during the test drive phase)

^ So wrong in so many ways. The tech information is excellent, however.

Everything I heard her talk about seemed correct to me, how is it "so wrong" ?

It's not about making them sweeter, sugar does that. Honey adds a complementary flavor profile.

I'm just tired of the Web amplifying and normalizing the voice of stupid people. Idiocracy isn't a movie, it's our future.

Careful, using logic and common sense get you labeled the idiot, scolded by wokesters....

I think "rusnak" was referring to the auto pilot. It got confused twice during the drive portion of the video.
It seems to have issues negotiating turn offs. The driver had to take control quickly to correct the issues.

what about... coal oil ??

Is that like a molten chocolate cake?

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Thanks for that video, it was very interesting. I wish I could afford a 3, but I'll get by with my lowly Volt. It's no Tesla, but the tire smoke generator does work.

A couple of comments: That discussion of the brakes made me wonder if it's something that's been a problem or just conjecture. She says the reneg keeps the brakes from working so the pads seize up. The regen on my car stops working at about 5 mph, so the brakes are used and the pads move every time you come to a full stop, which is at least once every time you drive the car.

She said, “I think you are going to be buying this because it’s an electric car and because it’s interesting.”
At least somebody gets it.

The auto pilot demonstration confirmed my thinking on it. It's not ready yet, and the video made me wonder why anyone would pay $7000 for an option that only kinda works.

I’ve done thousands of highway miles on full autopilot. It’s worked, to my mind, flawlessly.
There are some situations where you have to take control, but it’s common sense.
For example, in very heavy traffic you may need to take over to exit the freeway, because it simply isn’t going to be aggressive enough to cut cars off.
But IMO it works on the highway very impressively, and I’d say I’ve done 99.9% of highway miles on full Autopilot. It’s way better than “kinda works.”
With the brakes, maybe it’s a setting thing, but mine will come to a complete stop without touching the brakes.

Does the Tesla have a manual regen control? There is apparently different technology between the Volt and the Tesla on the brakes. If having the pads seize up is an issue, it seems like programing the regen to use the brakes more would be an easy fix.

Hydro power is a relic of the previous century which should be turned off.

What's wrong about it is that they created a YouTube channel that is respectable from a technical point of view. I have watched several of their videos and thought they were pretty good. But then they go do this Tesla video and can't resist the political commentary thrown in there.

As Patrick pointed out: "She said, “I think you are going to be buying this because it’s an electric car and because it’s interesting.”
At least somebody gets it."

That is what's wrong IMO.

Coal generated electricity is not going down anytime soon.

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