Coronavirus - Can we have a conversation that does not go to PARF

[93nav]

Just wondering what people think the long term effects of it are?

How much is this going to impact China's economy? And indirectly the world?

I will make a prediction, there is going to be a baby boom in 9 months.

[Bill Douglas]

We're all going to die.

[Won]

What did happen to Zika virus? Why did we stop talking about it?

It will probably be the same with 2019-nCoV.

[WPOZZZ]

One of my friends said it is bad in China. Restaurants are closed, no one goes out, and most people just stay at home. I'm not sure how she will get back to the US.

[GH85Carrera]

I doubt it will have any long term effect in the USA.

The China economy is going to take a deserving and major expensive hit. I feel sorry for the residents, but have zero sympathy and even derision to the China government and those in charge. The simply shot themselves in the foot. 100% the government is at fault. One report in the Lancet, the British medial publication put the estimated cases at over 750,000 and that means horrendous under reporting (lying) of the real numbers of infections.

There is no one going to China as a tourist right now. One TV report said the families in the affected area are allowed to send one person out every other day to buy food and necessary items. Businesses are closed, citizens can't go to work and earn any sort of income.

It has to be a major cluster fudge there. The government will have to spend billions.

Foreign companies are suspending operations now. Apple has stopped the production of their phones and computers.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Won

What did happen to Zika virus? Why did we stop talking about it?

It will probably be the same with 2019-nCoV.

So much of that is media hype. If it bleeds it leads, or if they can scare monger, they make more money.

Ebola was going to kill us all. Then it just faded away.

The new virus is less deadly than the flu. There are 12,000 – 61,000 deaths every year from the regular old flu. 45 million people home sick, or worse yet, at work, spreading the disease. We honestly need to change the way the flu is though about. It really is deadly.

From 2 percent to as high as 65 percent of patients die! According to one 2016 report. It is estimated that between 70 and 85 percent of seasonal flu-related deaths have occurred in people 65 years and older.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Ebola was going to kill us all. Then it just faded away.

At the time people were complaining about the precautions we were taking to prevent the spread of Ebola. Then it faded away. All on its own.

[Seahawk]

A good friend of mine works at the CDC, she is Chinese and thinks this warrants attention...she is a Dr. that specializes in infectious diseases.

We met at Cal and have remained friends since...she married a very good friend of mine. She texted my wife and asked if she was traveling by air, recommended she doesn't.

Her parents were both medical Dr's in China before and after Mao. Her stories are incredible. Trust not a word coming from any mainland Chinese news source.

[93nav]

I know several people with connections to China, so I have been following this fairly closely.

Yeh, I have never trusted the Chinese government's numbers on anything. The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) will lie and then lie some more to not look bad on anything. This is also at the lowest levels of government, they don't want to give the higher ups bad news, so will lie also.

Sounds like at least part of the country (not counting Wuhan) is shut down for an additional week beyond the normal New Year. What % is shut down, I don't know. If it is a larger % and/or goes on for a while, it will have a large impact on the Chines economy, which will impact the world economy. Chinese supplies a lot of parts, and buys 'stuff'. Is China GM's largest profit center? Read that somewhere.

[pmax]

WHO initially downplaying the pandemic reeks of incompetence at best.

Even just a week ago when the official case count was low, inside reports leaked said the actual situation was a lot worse. The panic evident in those hospitals was telling. Now the poor folks are left to die in their own homes given there's no way to treat so many.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

We're all going to die.

Eventually.

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Just my opinion but it seems like we're getting more and more of these killer viruses.

What worries me is when we get the one that has a high death/contagion rate.
I don't mean to be alarmist but it really is only a matter of time.

Imagine what would have happened if AIDS had become an airborne virus?

[The Synergizer]

Don't eat the bats!

[93nav]

Or ebola (airborne).

I am not sure if we are getting more, or just know about them now. Also, where are cholera, the plague, typhoid, and a few others? Once great killers, but now....

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Eventually.

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Just my opinion but it seems like we're getting more and more of these killer viruses.

What worries me is when we get the one that has a high death/contagion rate.
I don't mean to be alarmist but it really is only a matter of time.

Imagine what would have happened if AIDS had become an airborne virus?

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by 93nav

Just wondering what people think the long term effects of it are?

How much is this going to impact China's economy? And indirectly the world?

I will make a prediction, there is going to be a baby boom in 9 months.

I thought we had one. Oh well, continue...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1050915-corona-virus-no-joke.html

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by 93nav

Chines economy, which will impact the world economy.

It hit here in New Zealand quite hard, from day one. They are our biggest or second biggest importer of our stuff. And imports just stopped.

Also Chinese people spend billions coming here and taking photos, so all that has stopped too.

Auckland airport stocks have plummeted, but that can only be a good thing

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Have you seen how quickly they built a hospital

Where I live a pothole wouldn't be filled in that time

Airplanes have to be one of the best places for spreading virus's, a guaranteed way to make it a pandemic

[93nav]

Sorry,

I looked back several pages and did not see a thread. So I looked in PARF and saw that thread, figured it got moved. I did not do a search, which is what I should have done.

Originally Posted by pwd72s

I thought we had one. Oh well, continue...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1050915-corona-virus-no-joke.html

[93nav]

Thanks. Your info is what I was looking for. I am not finding that type of info anywhere..

Even assuming China gets it under control, and it does not spread widely out of China, I think there is still going to be a impact on the world economy. It will take a while for China to get back to 'normal', it could be a long time. I don't see the Chinese people wanting to travel much for a while, even if they are not quarantined.

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

It hit here in New Zealand quite hard, from day one. They are our biggest or second biggest importer of our stuff. And imports just stopped.

Also Chinese people spend billions coming here and taking photos, so all that has stopped too.

Auckland airport stocks have plummeted, but that can only be a good thing

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Airplanes have to be one of the best places for spreading virus's, a guaranteed way to make it a pandemic

+1. Absolutely.

I learned the hard way to NOT open the little vent over your head. I got the worst flu in my life that way. I got to that point where you think to yourself "If I die, that's OK".

[Heel n Toe]

This Chinese doctor tried to save lives, but was silenced. Now he has coronavirus

(CNN) -- On December 30, Li Wenliang dropped a bombshell in his medical school alumni group on the popular Chinese messaging app WeChat: seven patients from a local seafood market had been diagnosed with a SARS-like illness and quarantined in his hospital.

Li explained that, according to a test he had seen, the illness was a coronavirus -- a large family of viruses that includes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).
Memories of SARS run deep in China, where a pandemic in 2003 killed hundreds following a government cover up. "I only wanted to remind my university classmates to be careful," he said.

Li, a 34-year-old doctor working in Wuhan, the central Chinese city at the epicenter of the deadly coronavirus outbreak, told his friends to warn their loved ones privately. But within hours screenshots of his messages had gone viral -- without his name being blurred. "When I saw them circulating online, I realized that it was out of my control and I would probably be punished," Li said.

He was right.

Soon after he posted the message, Li was accused of rumor-mongering by the Wuhan police. He was one of several medics targeted by police for trying to blow the whistle on the deadly virus in the early weeks of the outbreak. The virus has since claimed at least 425 lives and sickened more than 20,000 people globally -- including Li.

More: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/03/asia/coronavirus-doctor-whistle-blower-intl-hnk/index.html