Sweden Dealing with Covid the Right Way

[McLovin]

The numbers thus far are interesting.
But Sweden a “failure?”
Hard to say that.
Remember, this was projected to be a “global pandemic and deaths of epic proportions.”
Sweden had minimal shutdowns.
Their schools largely stayed open.
People still went to work, and they could because all the primary schools were open so childcare issues were avoided. They are projecting a 4% hit on their GDP.
So has it been the “debacle” as predicted (by most here and by most of the world?)
Objectively, no.
2300 deaths out of 10 million people thus far isn’t exactly the killings fields.
Half of those have been in nursing homes with the very elderly and sick. Like everyone, they admit they could have done a better job with regard to that.
Time will of course tell a more complete story. For example, if there’s “second waves” as other countries start to reopen, Sweden is likely to not experience as much of that since they’ve largely remained open.

[McLovin]

Fauci and Birx, the architects of the US response and lock down, certainly would have projected much worse than 2300 deaths out of 10 million Swedes in the absence of a massive shutdown like the US did.
So in that regard, Sweden has thus far wildly exceeded the presumptions and predictions that the US based it’s response and policies on.

[group911@aol.co]

First hand knowledge I presume?

Originally Posted by McLovin

Fauci and Birx, the architects of the US response and lock down, certainly would have projected much worse than 2300 deaths out of 10 million Swedes in the absence of a massive shutdown like the US did.
So in that regard, Sweden has thus far wildly exceeded the presumptions and predictions that the US based it’s response and policies on.

[McLovin]

“2 million or more deaths in US without lockdown”
Fauci, Birx et al

[McLovin]

Yet 2/3 of the world is not on lockdown.
200,000 corona virus deaths and declining.
In a world where 55 million die each year.

[McLovin]

“Worldwide pandemic and deaths of epic proportions.”

[Iciclehead]

I follow the Dutch news closely, I note that yesterday they upped the midpoint of the age of death due to Corona from its previous 80-84 years old to 85-89 years old.

Being pragmatic, what we are doing is clearing out the elder care problem using the virus. Seems financially prudent.

Dennis

[McLovin]

I know this is good news and most don’t want to hear it.

I don’t understand that. But carry on.

[techweenie]

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

I follow the Dutch news closely, I note that yesterday they upped the midpoint of the age of death due to Corona from its previous 80-84 years old to 85-89 years old.

I read (not sure if it’s true) that more people over the age of 100 have died than people under the age of 30. That extremity was surprising.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by techweenie

To me, number of cases is essentially a meaningless number.
Because the true number is so unknown.
And it’s so highly a reflection of how much testing has been done or not done.
Plus it’s so misused.

[McLovin]

Stats re deaths and hospitalizations have meaning.

[McLovin]

A good example of cases being meaningless.
2 weeks ago someone here posted about the South Dakota “debacle.”
You know, the governor and “stupid people” who refused to shut down their state and were sentencing mass numbers of people to death.
When I pointed out 8 people had died in the entire state, the “number of cases” was cited as the debacle. And yes, they did have a number of cases.
Including the 800 cases that broke out in the pork plant.
Yet, 2 weeks later, 2 of the 800 died.
Total deaths in all of South Dakota as of today: 11

“Debacle?”
Bad news?
Good news?

[McLovin]

Haha I see you deleted your post SoL. That’s ok.
I’ll leave mine

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Haha I see you deleted your post SoL. That’s ok.
I’ll leave mine

Me?

I haven't deleted a post.

[McLovin]

And yesterday the governor of California, in the face of improving corona virus numbers, goes on TV, threatens the citizens and calls for more law enforcement crackdowns and arrests on people who dare defy him by going outside.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Me?

I haven't deleted a post.

Sorry Sol ☀️. It must have been someone else.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Sorry Sol ☀️. It must have been someone else.

It wasn't me.

[ckissick]

From the start, Sweden's strategy was to allow for a manageable level of hospitalizations and deaths, while preserving their economy. It was meant to be a fine balancing act.

Many don't like this approach because the death rate looks bad right now, compared to their neighbors. Then again, they knew the early death rate would be worse. In the long run it may be the same, as other countries start to open up and see an increase in deaths. After all, experts around the world have been saying most people will get it eventually, no matter what we do, short of an extreme lock-down well into 2021 or even 2022.

Meanwhile, Sweden's economy is not as impacted, people are not losing as many freedoms, and the hospitals have not been overwhelmed. Many think it has been a failure just because of one number: deaths per million. (And even then, that number only compares poorly against their neighbors; not so much against other European countries.) But there's much more to it than one piece of data.

[Sooner or later]

Keep in mind there are significant differences between Sweden and the US.

They actually trust and believe in their leadership and mostly do as told.

The US doesn't have that luxury.