Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 10880422)

The Nordics are comparable in certain areas, and not in several others. Not all Nordics are part of the EU, or EFTA. Some are republics, some are monarchies. One is very oil-rich/dependent, One is an island in the middle of the ocean with a tiny population, etc.

Also, Sweden is a stand-out among the Nordics in many categories.

It has the largest population, by far.
It has the most highly-populated urban centers.
It has the highest number of refugee immigrants, by far.
It has the highest percentage of people 70+ years old.

And regarding their massive refugee population: They brought with them poor health, disease, and greater all-cause mortality rates.


So if you are going to single out Sweden for per-capita C19 deaths amongst only the Nordics, it would be prudent to include all other pertinent comparable data as well.
Population, population density, number of population-dense metros, population demographics, healthcare quality/access/infrastructure, pre-COVID mortality rates (all-cause and specific/relevant morbidities), pre-COVID volumes for international travel (and to where), domestic travel, trade/commerce, foreign tourism (and from where), border porosity/immigration numbers/policies, granted asylums, etc.

Then include the testing and death-reporting/COD protocols for each country, which can be vastly different and can/have changed mid-stream in some instances.

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 10880422)

And regarding their massive refugee population: They brought with them poor health, disease, and greater all-cause mortality rates... So if you are going to single out Sweden for per-capita C19 deaths amongst only the Nordics, it would be prudent to include all other pertinent comparable data as well.
Population, population density, number of population-dense metros, population demographics, healthcare quality/access/infrastructure, pre-COVID mortality rates (all-cause and specific/relevant morbidities), pre-COVID volumes for international travel (and to where), domestic travel, trade/commerce, foreign tourism (and from where), border porosity/immigration numbers/policies, granted asylums, etc... Then include the testing and death-reporting/COD protocols for each country, which can be vastly different and can/have changed mid-stream in some instances.

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 10880434)

Maybe you can do that work.

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 10880434)

Maybe you can do that work.

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10880426)

what a funny thread!

Originally Posted by Matt Smith (Post 10880832)

Ok Shaun, I am genuinely curious about that statement. What makes it funny?

Originally Posted by gsxrken (Post 10880503)

This is 100% correct. If I was at work and someone tried to compare data without this sort of rigor, I couldn’t possibly draw a conclusion based on it. No one has any idea if what Sweden did was smart or not... yet.


Yeah, it’s easier just to look at a simple chart.

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 10880047)

And again, deaths per capita, Sweden vs. other non-Nordics:



More costly and longer/deadlier than the UK, Belgium, Italy, Spain, and France?

Curious why nobody seems interested in looking critically at (and comparing) the countries that are doing worse than Sweden, with much more strict lock-downs...

Only comparing Sweden with other Nordics is like only comparing 3-4 US states that border one-another, regardless of other factors.
It's even more irrelevant if you include Iceland (just because it's also a Nordic country).
So many other factors and variables at play...

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10882133)

Belgium is massively over reporting.
Anybody who dies in a nursery home ends up on that count. like 98 years old, coughs once and drops dead : on the covid death count.
Not even tested.

It's been the topic of much debate already.

Originally Posted by livi (Post 10882184)

In Sweden half of the deaths were from elderly nursery homes which our government has turned into a massive immigration integration experiment, flooded with uneducated, illeterate hourly paid newcomers with no comprehension of avoiding spreading infectious deseases.
In hospital/ICU wards an unproportionally large percentage of patients are immigrants.
Being a global humanitarian superpower takes it tolls..

Originally Posted by livi (Post 10882184)

In Sweden half of the deaths were from elderly nursery homes which our government has turned into a massive immigration integration experiment, flooded with uneducated, illeterate hourly paid newcomers with no comprehension of avoiding spreading infectious deseases.
In hospital/ICU wards an unproportionally large percentage of patients are immigrants.
Being a global humanitarian superpower takes it tolls..

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10882678)

More objective data proving why it was a bad idea destined to fail.

Originally Posted by livi (Post 10882184)

In Sweden half of the deaths were from elderly nursery homes which our government has turned into a massive immigration integration experiment, flooded with uneducated, illeterate hourly paid newcomers with no comprehension of avoiding spreading infectious deseases.
In hospital/ICU wards an unproportionally large percentage of patients are immigrants.
Being a global humanitarian superpower takes it tolls...