No you're not.

Use common sense and accept the consequences. Just like most rules and laws we break imo.

The heat is one. The people want the place to start reopening. In an attempt to put themselves in a better light they have to find some excuse or person to blame.

If Michigan was performing a million tests a day would that actually allow her to open things up? Tests by themselves don't do crap if a tracking and follow up team isn't in place. They just allow us to add another chalk mark in the proper column.

Does Michigan have a team in place to do the required follow ups? Is that team just sitting around, twiddling their thumbs waiting for more tests to be performed?

If she had the tests she would find another reason for being unable to open things up.

Her story is the same as most/many states imo. I keep up with NC...mostly local sources.

There is still a serious supply chain issue for PPE...and that's nationwide as states compete for limited supplies.

Of course there is. The entire world is clamoring for more supply. 3M has doubled their worldwide production. California alone wants to buy 200,000,000 a month for the next year.

3M Co. MMM 1.08% and a half dozen smaller competitors are making about 50 million of N95 masks—which block 95% of very small particles—in the U.S. each month. That is far short of the 300 million N95 masks the Department of Health and Human Services estimated in March that U.S. health-care workers would need monthly to fight a pandemic. U.S. hospitals that previously purchased masks from abroad have turned to overburdened domestic suppliers after many countries blocked exports to fight the virus within their own borders

3M has doubled mask production since January. President Trump on Thursday invoked the Defense Production Act against 3M, which gives the federal government more control over a company’s operations. 3M didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on the move.

Before the pandemic took hold this year, most of the 50 million N95 masks that 3M made globally each month were used to protect factory workers from metal shavings and other hazards, Mr. Roman said. That level of production was enough to meet demand from both medical and factory workers. Now, he said, 90% of the masks that 3M sells are going to medical workers.

3M began ramping up mask production after the World Health Organization on Jan. 11 reported the first deaths from Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. By mid-March 3M had doubled its output to nearly 100 million masks a month globally, and 35 million a month in the U.S., at plants in South Dakota and Nebraska. the company also has said it would import 10 million masks this month from its factory in China, which earlier this year was restricted from sending goods abroad.

Mr. Roman said 3M wants to double its global mask production over the next year. That plus more domestic mask production that Honeywell International Inc. and other companies plan to add in the months ahead would meet the domestic demand the pandemic has created, officials and manufacturers said.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/3m-ceo-on-n95-masks-demand-exceeds-our-production-capacity-11585842928
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/california-to-buy-200-million-masks-a-month-amid-outbreak/2269565/

^^^ We will get there...not there yet however. Until the latent demand (most critical first) has been satisfied...we have a problem that can't be fixed on a local level.

Thanks!

Remember, the justification given for locking us in our homes was to "flatten the curve". Locally, that means that hospitals and clinics are laying off workers as they have nothing to do. Now that new cases are increasing less than old cases are recovering locally, we are being told that we will not be let out until there is a cure. That was never part of the deal!

While I agree with your frustration, keep this in mind. From your own post, "...new cases are increasing less..." The virus is still out there in circulation. To what degree is not known due to the lack of sufficient testing, but it is out there. Yes, flattening the curve was to slow the increase and eventually cause a decrease.

Clearly, the lock downs have been successful in areas hard hit, but in other areas the virus has not hit or has not yet peaked. Once again, the virus is in those areas as well, but there is no method to detect or track its presence.

Lots of broad-brush comments being made that are not necessarily true, one being that there will be no let up until there is a cure. Actually, it's more like our behavior will have to be modified until there is a cure. The federal guidelines clearly allow for easing the lock downs in stages. Those guidelines are certainly not a statement of "stay locked up until there is a cure." The easing of restrictions falls upon the local governments so in those areas of little viral impact, easing may come sooner than later.

We are seeing one new case about every 3 days on average. We are down to 9 active cases in the county.

Just waltzing into this thread.

What do you suggest be done for your county as to reopening.

I have no skin in the game and can see your argument.

Let us go back to our normal lives. Those in high risk groups can take precautions. No reason to punish the rest of us.

Yup.

Not sure how many realize the lockdown was never meant to reduce the number infected or will be infected, just slow it down so as not to overwhelm the medical system.

That's already accomplished in many areas and definitely in CA or WA.

Easier said than done. Virus aside, the best case scenario for an economic recovery is a return to recession-level unemployment in six months if we all pull together. In the meantime, the government HAS TO inject hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe thousands of billions. It has to be enough to push us along for at least six months.

I wonder what the new currency will look like.

Hell yes, places should be be opening.

I am pretty damn sure that if Okla numbers continue the trend for the rest of the week we will some nice backing off of restrictions.

Nothing that I have heard, just a feeling. Our safer at home was only extended for high risk to the 7th of May or so. Everyone else expires on the 1st. I hope so.

Spot on.

And won't it be ironic when hospitals fail because they don't have enough sick.

..being that the whole point of this shut-down was to save the hospitals from being over-run.

Some more interesting ****. Behind a paywall. Different people will take this in a different way. First time I read it I had a certain take. Then, after rereading it I almost did a 180. What is your tske?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/w...ck-stroke.html


​The hospitals are eerily quiet, except for Covid-19.

I have heard this sentiment from fellow doctors across the United States and in many other countries. We are all asking: Where are all the patients with heart attacks and stroke? They are missing from our hospitals.

Yale New Haven Hospital, where I work, has almost 300 people stricken with Covid-19, and the numbers keep rising — and yet we are not yet at capacity because of a marked decline in our usual types of patients. In more normal times, we never have so many empty beds.


​​​​​​Our hospital is usually so full that patients wait in gurneys along the walls of the emergency department for a bed to become available on the general wards or even in the intensive care unit. We send people home from the hospital as soon as possible so we can free up beds for those who are waiting. But the pandemic has caused a previously unimaginable shift in the demand for hospital services.

Some of the excess capacity is indeed by design. We canceled elective procedures, though many of those patients never needed hospitalization. We are now providing care at home through telemedicine, but those services are for stable outpatients, not for those who are acutely ill.

What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared. Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle. This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction.

And this is not a phenomenon specific to the United States. Investigators from Spain reported a 40 percent reduction in emergency procedures for heart attacks during the last week of March compared with the period just before the pandemic hit.

And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease.

The most concerning possible explanation is that people stay home and suffer rather than risk coming to the hospital and getting infected with coronavirus. This theory suggests that Covid-19 has instilled fear of face-to-face medical care. As a result, many people with urgent health problems may be opting to remain at home rather than call for help. And when they do finally seek medical attention, it is often only after their condition has worsened. Doctors from Hong Kong reported an increase in patients coming to the hospital late in the course of their heart attack, when treatment is less likely to be lifesaving.

There are other possible explanations for the missing patients. In this time of social distancing, our meals, social interactions and physical activity patterns tend to be very different. Maybe we have removed some of the triggers for heart attacks and strokes, like excessive eating and drinking or abrupt periods of physical exertion. This theory merits research but seems unlikely to explain the dramatic changes we’re observing.

We actually expected to see more heart attacks during this time. Respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks. Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke. The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now. We urge people to get flu vaccines every year, in part, to protect their hearts.

I was wondering about this, too.

I'm keeping my mouth shut about why I think this is happening.

Georgia is scheduled to reopen from shelter in place starting this friday.

ATLANTA, Ga. — Some Georgia businesses, ordered to stay shuttered for weeks now due to the coronavirus pandemic, will be allowed to reopen later this week, with the statewide shelter-in-place order ending at the end of the month, Gov. Brian Kemp announced Monday.


Kemp said in a tweet Monday that "gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations." They will have to follow strict social distancing and hygiene requirements to remain open to the public.

The governor says Minimum Basic Operations includes, but is not limited to, "screening workers for fever and respiratory illness, enhancing workplace sanitation, wearing masks & gloves if appropriate, separating workspaces by six feet, teleworking if possible & implementing staggered shifts."

On Monday, April 27, movie theaters may resume selling tickets and restaurants limited to takeout orders can go back to limited dine-in service.

Some businesses will not be reopening yet, however. "Bars, nightclubs, operators of amusement park rides & live performance venues will remain closed," Kemp said.

Another study pretty much confirming the fatality rate of about 0.1% ... just like the "common flu"....

Brought up by a reporter in the WH press conference.

Body maintenance places ought to do well.

Movie theaters and restaurants... those are pretty well screwed.