How many weeks do we buy the old and infirm?

[island911]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/coronavirus-first-known-fatality-us-california

The San Jose woman was a seemingly healthy 57-year-old who exercised routinely, watched her diet and took no medication. She had flu-like symptoms for a few days, then appeared to recover, a family member said. Then she was found dead Feb. 6, and the initial culprit appeared to be a heart attack.

snip...

After a bout with flu-like symptoms, however, she had improved and was working from home, corresponding with a colleague at about 8 a.m. the day of her death.

About two hours later, her daughter found her dead. As family members learned more about the symptoms of the coronavirus, suspicions grew.

Why have your loved one listed as dying from an everyday boring heart attack when they can be Historic!?

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

My friend/neighbor knew her and is thoroughly familiar with what happened. They were colleagues and had meetings with others during January.

Well, as long as it was your neighbor's colleague, and not your second cousin's uncle's ex girlfriends' former roommate...

Personally, I'd probably give the nod to the coroner's conclusion though, which was a massive MI.

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

I did not learn about this from the CNN story....
...CNN had nothing to do with my conversation with my neighbor.

Just going by the fact that you felt the need to cite/reference it in your post.

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

Perhaps you believe that there is some type of conspiracy involved with this pandemic and/or some type of conspiracy involved with the recent claim that she may be US death #1. Or that she is even deceased. That is up to you.

Perhaps no human being has died as a result of this somebeech virus and it is all a hoax.

Holy strawman Batman! Weak. Very weak.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I can't find the article but Oklahoma is going back and testing early pneumonia deaths for coronavirus. The state health dept said that they don't keep samples from all deaths in storage but they do have many they can use to go back and test at a later date,.

Probably the same in all states.

Thanks.

I find it curious that so many reel about live testing accuracy when tests show this has spread much farther and has MANY more asymptomatic and mild symptom positives... but this testing - on months-old samples... accurate w/o question?

[Sooner or later]

Here it is. Even backwoods Okla can go back and test.

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/state-medical-examiners-office-confirms-an-increase-of-20-40-year-old-deaths-amid-pandemic

The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office has confirmed that they have seen an increase of deaths caused by pneumonia and coronavirus-like symptoms in individuals ages 20-40 in the past few months, who were not tested for COVID-19 before their passing.

Medical doctors can request that an individual who has passed with COVID-19 symptoms, but had not been diagnosed, be tested.

"The physician will decide if a swab sample needs to be taken depending on the signs and symptoms of the cases with antemortem symptoms suggestive of COVID-19, but we are unable to obtain specimens in all cases,“ said Amy Elliot, chief administrative officer with the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.

The state’s medical examiners do not perform the tests themselves. They collect swab samples and send them to the Oklahoma State Department of Health to be tested, according to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office.

We have obtained specimens from some of our cases and there have been positive results for COVID-19,” Elliot said.

"Collecting COVID-19 data on deaths is something that the Medical Examiner’s Office would like to be able to do in the future.

"Until such time we have these resources, we will swab cases with antemortem history or symptoms suggestive of COVID-19, but are unable to obtain specimens in all cases.”

[rusnak]

ah..gotta clear things up.

It is not Mahler's loss. It is his neighbor's loss, as the deceased was a friend of the neighbor.

And she died from a heart attack, and no one knew she had corona virus, as she was asymptomatic at the time of her death.

However, that is of no matter, somehow her passing is relevant to this thread.

And Mahler says you can't take away the fact that someone who tests postive for coronavirus posthumously deserves (something, not sure what), and because that person was a human being, that thing can't be taken away by another human being.

OK..all caught up, go.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

[Chocaholic]

Island...you overlook one very important (and obvious) point in all of this. Buying “time” for elderly, infirm, young and old is very valuable when dealing with a virus we are furiously working to combat.

Buying time means that lives may be saved when, perhaps a few months later we have an effective treatment or vaccine. So, you may see it as postponing the inevitable. Heck, eating fruits and vegetables does that. Rather it is allowing the global effort to treat CV19 some time to do its work.

[Mahler9th]

I wonder why so many people that have posted in this thread seem to suggest that this woman did not die from Covid-19 infection?

Do they believe in some massive conspiracy, perpetuated by CNN/"them"/MSM/TDS/AOC, or BOC (Big Orange Clown)?

They can focus on death rates and deaths, and claim that globally there have only been 2-3 deaths and the death rate (number of deaths divided by those with confirmed cases, or estimated numbers of humans globally that have likely been infected) is .000000000%.

I don't care.

They can imply that the U.S. economy has been destroyed by Trump, CDC, NIH, democratic governors, republican governors, yada yada yada or some other folks, et cetera.

Seems so.

I don't care.

They can believe what they want to believe for their own reasons.

I don't care.

They can believe in whatever conspiracy theories they want-- I don't care.

Why would I care?

[KFC911]

^^^^ Politics....a sinister plot to expose the stupid

[island911]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

I wonder why so many people that have posted in this thread seem to suggest that this woman did not die from Covid-19 infection?

Do they believe in some massive conspiracy, perpetuated by CNN/"them"/MSM/TDS/AOC, or BOC (Big Orange Clown)?

..snip...
I don't care.

They can believe in whatever conspiracy theories they want-- I don't care.

Why would I care?

No they do not believe in some massive conspiracy.

AS was stated before, a few facts of her death... She seemed to have gotten over her nasty cold symptoms, was corresponding with a coworker (working from home) at 8AM and was found DEAD just TWO hours later. And, to top it all off, the COD (cause of death) was not pneumonia (a CV hallmark) but rather a heart attack.

Oh wait... I get it... you believe in some massive conspiracy that the State called COD a heart attack to hide the REAL cause (pneumonia) because they wanted to hide evidence of the China virus in the States.

Seriously, the new COD rules.. we've talked about them before. If CV is present, that get's added to the COD whether it was the actual cause or not. This new .. feature of COD has spurred satires such as sky diver forgets parachute, dies of Covid-19. Tagging COD to CV has become the new norm as it also generates free govt cheese.

So, yeah, you keep on calling others conspiracy theorists. It's a good look on you. (willful ignorance)

[island911]

April 7

Originally Posted by craigster59

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

I wonder why so many people that have posted in this thread seem to suggest that this woman did not die from Covid-19 infection?

because they are PARFers

[dafischer]

Originally Posted by RWebb

because they are PARFers

Says the PARFessor

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

I wonder why so many people that have posted in this thread seem to suggest that this woman did not die from Covid-19 infection?

Maybe because, despite the inference from your "neighbor's colleague", the evidence/facts from the coroner and her family/co-workers suggests otherwise.

If you test positive for C19 but are asymptomatic (or have mild symptoms, then recover) and you die in a car accident a week later, is that a "COVID-related" death?

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

Do they believe in some massive conspiracy, perpetuated by CNN/"them"/MSM/TDS/AOC, or BOC (Big Orange Clown)?

No. But the above certainly confirms your bias.

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

I don't care.
I don't care.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Why would I care?

Why post anything trying to support or refute any position on matter then? For someone who "doesn't care" you sure have taken up plenty of bandwith on the subject.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

... For someone who "doesn't care" you sure have taken up plenty of bandwith on the subject.

LOL...have you met Tabz ?

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by island911

No one is suggesting that we should snuff old people. But BRAVO Cajundaddy! for making that up.

It's a practical concept but we simply don't do that to human beans.

This has been a rough thread to read through.

Mahler - lighten up. It's getting old. Don't give a flying fark about your input.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

. . .

This has been a rough thread to read through.

. . .

Island accomplished one of the highest level trolls I've seen in quite some time - dude wanted to kick up a yuuuuugggggeeee sepia brown storm, and he did just that!

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Island accomplished one of the highest level trolls I've seen in quite some time - dude wanted to kick up a yuuuuugggggeeee sepia brown storm, and he did just that!

They won't let you visit PARF....so PARF visits you

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by tabs

The FED and it's printing press?

You should have put that in green. This deficit spending issue is one of the few things Tabs and I agree on.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Island accomplished one of the highest level trolls I've seen in quite some time - dude wanted to kick up a yuuuuugggggeeee sepia brown storm, and he did just that!

This thread is nothing. The "back to normal" thread...that has got to be a PPOT classic for the books.