Masks

[Crowbob]

When did the science become a good thing?

For almost forever the science said there were two sexes and almost every single one of us was born with one or the other. That science is now bad.

Now awlasudden with the ‘Rona you’re a queer dude if you disregards the science. Because that science is now good

So which is it now?

It looks like we’re free to choose which science we agree with.

Finally, choice!

[cabmandone]

Another interesting observation, many of the "it's my body it's my choice" crowd are now trying to mandate what people do with their body.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

The Constitution isn't a death sentence. And yet, here we are.

What is the point you are trying to convey here?

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I disagree. As an Independent, I enjoy a bird's eye view of the political climate.

Only one party believes in, understands and respects science.

Only one party attacks science.

Only one party understands the evolving nature of CV and the use of masks.

Only one party constantly pushes conspiracy theories and misinformation (lies) about masks.

In relation to the virus, only one party has not abandoned logic and reason. Believe me, this party has abandoned logic and reason in spades on other topics (again, it's nice being an independent), but here, they have held fast to higher ideals.

Masks, especially relating to "freedom" and the Constitution, have been weaponized by one party with an Us vs. Them motif.

I think that covers it. The fact of the matter is it's not in the best interest of leadership to pull together as a team.

Mind you the above is an extremely broad brush of what I see and there are of course exceptions. Our own Governor Charlie Baker (R) is certainly an exception to these brush strokes. Of course only one party would label him a RINO in an attempt to discredit him.

How very "independent" of you. This is a nice illustration of what I find so amusing in this thread.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Another interesting observation, many of the "it's my body it's my choice" crowd are now trying to mandate what people do with their body.

Self-serving virtue signaling (not you - the bisches of all three sexes, implied in yer post ).

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Self-serving virtue signaling (not you - the bisches of all three sexes, implied in yer post ).

Remember man I'm a reverse virtue signaler! And I look fantastic in that outfit I mentioned that helped get you reinstated!

I've also learned something new. It's "antisocial distancing". It's where people walk up to me and I say "get the he.. away from me. I don't want to talk to you". It seems to be working but it might be hurting my sales a bit.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

No. The US Constitution is not the problem. We have pulled together and worked well as a team many times before and can do it again. Right now as a nation we are blinded by self-destructive political partisanship on both sides. This has caused us to abandon logic and reason.

Cabmando made a solid counter-point that you have not refuted - masks can not be singled out as saving any country that also has massively scary programs for any who might sneeze or step out of line, or out on to a street. Those other countries ALSO do not report stats accurately. For the longest time Hong Kong had ZERO deaths (reported) while remote counties spun up around the world. ..and when Hong Kong disallowed masks? (now what?)

The abandonment of logic and reason is on those jumping up and down about "Masks Work you effn Maroon" (or whatever) They have singular focus. "The mask" --homemade, leaky around the edges....whatever MUST be WORN! - Else you are anti-science-ah (evangelical accent)

1918 Flu. They too had people clinging to masks as a solution. Without any govt mandate they became hugely popular. Death kept coming. Everywhere.

We should all be VERY happy that this virus is not a huge threat to the majority of the population. Well, for most, exposure to the virus is a non-event.

Or, go door to door Caj.

[Heel n Toe]

[Heel n Toe]

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Tobra

How very "independent" of you. This is a nice illustration of what I find so amusing in this thread.

Prove me wrong. Masks, COVID, climate change, clean air and water. Yeah, you can't, so thanks. Just call'em as they are, nothing more.

And this is what's so annoying about average people. You can't understand and process reality that is denigrating to your point of view. Denial. It's annoying. Do this. Pull up your big boy pants and expand your mind a little. Seriously. Do it. Stop with the insipid snarky comments, they've become boring, and grow as a person. Don't settle for average. Think about adding value, not detracting from others. Thanks.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Something you'll find missing from every story about that 30 year old is a friend, family member or anyone other than the doctor, talking about how what this guy did was stupid. The nurse this patient told "I think I made a mistake" right before he died? Nope, you don't hear from them either. I'm not saying this didn't happen but it comes across as one of those old "this is your brain on drugs" commercials trying to scare kids from doing stupid stuff.


On your second piece about "rights"... Driving is a privilege. A stop sign or light stops you from using that privilege for a brief period of time. On smoking indoors, the business is forced to comply or they get a fine, not the person smoking (or that's how it works around here). A smoker can walk out the door onto a public sidewalk and smoke until their lungs explode. Not a "right" being infringed.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Perhaps posted before. Can't remember any more. We've come a long ways baby...

https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cities/city-denver.html#


"Enforcement of the mask order was another problem. Even Mayor Mills, despite going along with the proposition, did not expect widespread compliance. He was correct. The day after the mask order went into effect, only a few downtown stores were seen to be using masks. "

"Most complained that they were too uncomfortable to wear and interfered with normal breathing. Others argued that gauze masks were useless against influenza.27 In the face of such opposition, there was little city hall could do to enforce the order. As Mayor Mills put it, “Why, it would take half the population to make the other half wear masks. You can’t arrest all the people, can you?”28 It appeared that Denver residents understood that the answer all too well. Mills and Sharpley therefore revised the mask order yet again, this time merely recommending that the general public wear masks while in crowds and aboard streetcars."

[cabmandone]

The way Mike Dewine did things yesterday is how it should be done. He ASKED all Ohioans to wear a mask. I know what's coming in the future on this one but he did ask first. I wish he would have put a timeline on it like "let's do this for 4 weeks and stop the spread of this virus" It would give people a challenge and a goal to rise up and meet.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by island911

Cabmando made a solid counter-point that you have not refuted - masks can not be singled out as saving any country that also has massively scary programs for any who might sneeze or step out of line, or out on to a street. Those other countries ALSO do not report stats accurately. For the longest time Hong Kong had ZERO deaths (reported) while remote counties spun up around the world. ..and when Hong Kong disallowed masks? (now what?)

The abandonment of logic and reason is on those jumping up and down about "Masks Work you effn Maroon" (or whatever) They have singular focus. "The mask" --homemade, leaky around the edges....whatever MUST be WORN! - Else you are anti-science-ah (evangelical accent)

1918 Flu. They too had people clinging to masks as a solution. Without any govt mandate they became hugely popular. Death kept coming. Everywhere.

We should all be VERY happy that this virus is not a huge threat to the majority of the population. Well, for most, exposure to the virus is a non-event.

Eesh! Such an ugly ignorant post. Do you ever actually read what you write Island?

[island911]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

Eesh! Such an ugly ignorant post. Do you ever actually read what you write Island?

Can you NOT make a point so you instead insult? Going all tdskip on me?

I get it. My position pisses you off and you have no other retort.

UGLY and IGNORANT are YOUR claims...

personally I think that your post just outted your ignorance in an ugly way, but perhaps not. So why don't you support how my saying "We should all be VERY happy that this virus is not a huge threat to the majority of the population." is both "Ugly" and Ignorant." Go.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Prove me wrong. Masks, COVID, climate change, clean air and water. Yeah, you can't, so thanks. Just call'em as they are, nothing more.

And this is what's so annoying about average people. You can't understand and process reality that is denigrating to your point of view. Denial. It's annoying. Do this. Pull up your big boy pants and expand your mind a little. Seriously. Do it. Stop with the insipid snarky comments, they've become boring, and grow as a person. Don't settle for average. Think about adding value, not detracting from others. Thanks.

LOL

Project much?

I mean Mr "Social Experiment" complains about others ^^^

[cabmandone]

To be fair island, your point that he highlights isn't correct. I saw a stat where over 60% of Americans have some form of health issue that would put them at risk if they were to get the virus. If the 60% stat is accurate, it is a huge threat to the majority of the population.

Cajun could have been a bit more eloquent in his reply.

[island911]

Originally Posted by cabmando

The way Mike Dewine did things yesterday is how it should be done. He ASKED all Ohioans to wear a mask. I know what's coming in the future on this one but he did ask first. I wish he would have put a timeline on it like "let's do this for 4 weeks and stop the spread of this virus" It would give people a challenge and a goal to rise up and meet.

Another good point; what's the timeline here?

What percentage of the population is though to be shedding this virus? -half a percent? So then the rest of the population must wear masks (of spurious effectiveness) until... ? uhm.... ? .. . .PROFIT!

Seriously, until when?

Any of you mask zealots have an answer?

[island911]

Originally Posted by cabmando

To be fair island, your point that he highlights isn't correct. I saw a stat where over 60% of Americans have some form of health issue that would put them at risk if they were to get the virus. If the 60% stat is accurate, it is a huge threat to the majority of the population.

Cajun could have been a bit more eloquent in his reply.

That is a HUGE IF

The fact is we know SO much more about this virus than when it started.

Much of the Doom & Gloom Pollyanna projections proved to be FALSE.

What's the Average age of death? ~80? ...with quite a few cases of people in their 90's surviving.

Certainly 60% of those exposed DO NOT have sever problems.

[Sooner or later]

The I intial goal was to protect hospital resources.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

The I intial goal was to protect hospital resources.

Exactly.

And now what's the goal? (of mask programs and shut businesses)

Tank the economy?

Drive up the misery index?

Kill off people with hospital avoidance? (undetected cancer and heart conditions...)