Masks

[cabmandone]

"Extensive efforts were also made to track down and quarantine all close contacts an infected person had seen two days before becoming ill"

Go ahead and give that one a whirl here. It's not going to fly...where as in Hong Kong, they have no choice.

[cabmandone]

"The territory also began adjusting immigration policies. Anyone crossing the border from mainland China, as well as travelers from infected countries, were required to undergo 14 days of mandatory quarantine at home or in designated facilities"

Here, you get called a racist if you try to close the border or implement travel restrictions. Or was it a xenophobe?

[Cajundaddy]

Yep, ignore social distancing and masks in public, ignore crowded public spaces, ignore contact tracing and quarantine...

Chapter 1 in "How to get your azz kicked in a pandemic"

So far the US has this move down real well and our rugged individualism is rapidly putting us DFL on the world stage.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Tobra

This thread is pretty funny.


Can someone answer a simple question?

How is this virus different from all the other viruses that have come before? In the past, we protected the vulnerable, isolated the infected and kept the rest of society going.

What is changed?

Is this a serious question?


How exactly do you propose to isolate the infected when they cannot be identified??

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Is this a serious question?


How exactly do you propose to isolate the infected when they cannot be identified??

I don't know but whatever you do, don't test. Testing increases the number of CV infections.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

Yep, ignore social distancing and masks in public, ignore crowded public spaces, ignore contact tracing and quarantine...

Chapter 1 in "How to get your azz kicked in a pandemic"

So far the US has this move down real well and our rugged individualism is rapidly putting us DFL on the world stage.

You mentioned people in Hong Kong voluntarily wearing masks. They learned from a past mistake. Sometimes it takes learning from mistakes to get people to act as one. I support wearing a mask when in public places where social distancing is difficult to do. I don't support it because the government told me to wear a mask. I support it because I've sufficiently studied the benefits of wearing a mask enough to know that there are benefits to doing so. Forcing people to do as you say will only drive a bigger wedge between the government and the people.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by cabmando

You mentioned people in Hong Kong voluntarily wearing masks. They learned from a past mistake. Sometimes it takes learning from mistakes to get people to act as one. I support wearing a mask when in public places where social distancing is difficult to do. I don't support it because the government told me to wear a mask. I support it because I've sufficiently studied the benefits of wearing a mask enough to know that there are benefits to doing so. Forcing people to do as you say will only drive a bigger wedge between the government and the people.

You and I agree on this. I hate government mandates and they often do more harm than good. I'm old school and if something works, I tend to use it regardless of what some politician says.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

The Constitution isn't a death sentence. And yet, here we are.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

The Constitution isn't a death sentence. And yet, here we are.

No. The US Constitution is not the problem. We have pulled together and worked well as a team many times before and can do it again. Right now as a nation we are blinded by self-destructive political partisanship on both sides. This has caused us to abandon logic and reason.

[stormin48061]

bizarre stuff, still arguing about this fellas? the infighting here has moved to the white house... as the bickering continues the house is burning down... "irene turn out the lights when it's finished" ...... so sad fellas.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/top-white-house-official-peter-navarro-trashes-anthony-fauci-in-op-ed/ar-BB16LYcV?li=AAggFp5

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/dr-fauci-hits-back-at-bizarre-smear-campaign-after-navarro-goes-rogue-with-op-ed-attack/ar-BB16LPv3?li=AAggNb9

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by stormin48061

bizarre stuff, still arguing about this fellas? the infighting here has moved to the white house... as the bickering continues the house is burning down... "irene turn out the lights when it's finished" ...... so sad fellas.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/top-white-house-official-peter-navarro-trashes-anthony-fauci-in-op-ed/ar-BB16LYcV?li=AAggFp5

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/dr-fauci-hits-back-at-bizarre-smear-campaign-after-navarro-goes-rogue-with-op-ed-attack/ar-BB16LPv3?li=AAggNb9

Opinions are like ass holes....

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

No. The US Constitution is not the problem. We have pulled together and worked well as a team many times before and can do it again. Right now as a nation we are blinded by self-destructive political partisanship on both sides. This has caused us to abandon logic and reason.

And on that point we both agree.

[cabmandone]

Shaun,
The party that understand and respects science has by far more deaths attributed to the states they control than the states controlled by the party you say doesn't respect and understand science.
It's fair to fault the republican governors for reopening fully too quickly but to say they don't understand science isn't really fair. They reopened because their case numbers were low. They should have done more and that's fair to say but it was an adherence to science that allowed them to have significantly lower deaths than others states with similar population densities.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Sigh. States with big cities and incredibly high population densities were hit first and pummeled hard before anyone knew what the virus was let alone the evolving nature of how to deal with it. Why do I even have to type that. They are travel hubs. Everyone, from all over the country, all over the world, goes to these cities. Viruses spread like wildfire there. Science evolved over 2+ months on the virus and the right course of action. Those same cities and their citizens didn't whine and mewl about "rights," they pulled together and beat back the virus like true patriots. Real American citizens worthy of the title.

While that was happening for months, other states were not adhering to new, firm scientific guidelines crowing that they don't need science to tell us how to live, we're FREE and the CONSTITUSHUN and that F'ing garbage. They wasted months in ignorance and are now paying the price. Jesus F'ing Christ, to say that FL and others adhered to science is easily the dumbest thing I've read RE: CV response.

[cabmandone]

Texas and Florida are two of the most populated states Shaun. Florida and Texas are both travel hubs. And Florida is a vacation destination. The science behind wearing a mask hasn't evolved. A study by the NIH back in 2006 showed the effectiveness of wearing a mask to reduce the spread of a virus. The science has been there. So if one party allegedly understands and respects science, why didn't the governors of the states most affected suggest wearing masks early on?

Just stop. If you want to see how a leader does it, Mike Dewine is talking now. Stream it if you can. You call yourself an independent but your words here betray that statement. You're clearly a partisan.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Man you just don't get it but I shouldn't be surprised by someone who thinks masks are mainly for protecting the wearer.

Hey, whatever you need to comfort yourself, have at it.

Mike Dewine is one of the few who gets it. On that we can agree. Just wish the party that hates science got it too.

Ohio Republicans attack Gov. Mike DeWine’s power over coronavirus response: The Wake Up for Thursday, May 7, 2020


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I can post articles all day long. But I won't as I'm going to put the Turbo tail back on my M491.

[cabmandone]

Dude, you're clueless. I never said masks are mainly for protecting the wearer. Log off. You're embarrassing yourself.

[RWebb]

The science behind wearing a mask has certainly evolved. I see new studies every week and have posted a couple of them.

If you mean the bottom line - that one should wear a mask to protect yourself and others - then yes - not changed.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by RWebb

The science behind wearing a mask has certainly evolved. Isee new studies every week and have posted a couple of them.

If you mean the bottom line - that one should wear a mask to protect yourself and others - then yes - not changed.

As I said, the science hasn't evolved, it has been confirmed. A 2006 NIH study showed the effectiveness of masks in reducing the spread of a virus. The issue the study found was that without 100% adherence the benefit was difficult to gauge. These new studies confirm the findings of the 2006 study that masks help reduce the spread of a virus. This is not new information.

The Texas A&M study confirmed the efficiency of mask in reducing the spread. The study you linked, I had linked about a month ago. I got hammered because that study used hamsters as the test subjects. I've done a lot of reading on mask usage because I want to be as informed as I can possibly be in making a decision.

[stormin48061]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Opinions are like ass holes....

lol, an opinion from a ass hole doc is better than one from a clueless untrained politician.