Masks

[stormin48061]

when the beds run out, it doesn't much matter of the rhetoric of how you catch it, if you should wear a mask, if you don't believe it's here, if more testing = more cases, really doesn't matter. I read an article where the head doc tried to explain that ppl behaviour is driven by the aversion and resisting to being told what to do rather than looking at it from a safety angle.

Since that weekend, cases and hospitalizations in several states — especially Texas, California, Arizona and Florida — soared.

In the last two days, Texas has hit its highest number of new cases with 10,028 on Tuesday and 9,979 on Wednesday, easily beating the previous record of 8,258, according to The Washington Post’s database. As of Monday, 8,700 people in the state are hospitalized with COVID-19 and doctors anticipate that they will soon run out of hospital beds.

RELATED: At Least 56 Florida Hospital ICUs Have Hit Capacity as Coronavirus Cases Soar

That's already happening in Florida, where 56 intensive care units in the state are now full as of Tuesday. And an additional 35 hospital ICUs have 10 percent or fewer beds remaining. Florida saw 9,989 new cases on Wednesday, increasing the total to 223,783 since the start of the pandemic, and the state has the third-most cases in the country, after New York and California.

California, the most populous state in the country, was initially handing the COVID-19 pandemic well compared to New York. But after beaches, restaurants and bars reopened around Memorial Day, cases soared. On Wednesday, the state hit its highest daily total yet with 11,694 new infections, breaking the record they set two days prior of 11,529.

And in Arizona, new cases have started trending downwards, with 3,520 reported on Wednesday, below the record of 4,433 set on July 3. However, hospitals are nearly full, and the state had its lowest-ever number of available ICU beds on Tuesday. More than 1 in 4 people in Arizona are testing positive for the virus.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by NY65912

Look, NYS and NYC were in a really bad place in the spring. We turned it around and now have the lowest numbers. Following all the guidelines worked in one of the most densley populated cities.

Wearing masks work! Now, if all of the other states would take a lesson perhaps things would get better across the country.

This is the part I don't get. Many states hit hard early mandated lockdowns with masks and social distancing and every one of them has come through the worst of CV and are safely opening up again.

And many states saw those examples and just said, F that, won't happen to us, we're free. And look where they are now. sure, they don't have the population or population density or travel flow of the early states, but they've been hit hard given their own demographics. Which was completely avoidable. Just don't get that.

[Crowbob]

When the experts have said repeatedly its mitigation, not prevention people believe them. In addition, stories are emerging that describe hyper-vigilant people getting it. Also, nobody seems to agree on whether the rise in cases is due to increased testing or even whether or not the death rate is rising. When, allegedly, 99% of the infected population is asymptomatic or experiences mild symptoms, wearing masks seems kinda goofy. I wear one because I’m old and feeble plus I look better in a mask.

[island911]

Originally Posted by NY65912

Look, NYS and NYC were in a really bad place in the spring. We turned it around and now have the lowest numbers. Following all the guidelines worked in one of the most densley populated cities.

Wearing masks work! Now, if all of the other states would take a lesson perhaps things would get better across the country.

So you want other States to kill record numbers of their at-risk people so they can have lower death in the future?

Seriously, the State of New Your, IF it were it's own country would have thee highest percentage of death of any other county in the world. By far.

But sure, let's pretend that it's NY's mask guidelines that slowed the death.

[island911]

Oh wait. New Jersey recently overtook NY for the top spot of deaths as a percentage of population.

NY still has 2x + more deaths (at 32,343) but also more population. NJ is second most total deaths.

[island911]

BTW NY65912, I'm glad to see you still posting. --good job on avoiding this bug; especially in an area hit so hard.

That said, NY does not have any particularly effective policies.

TX is in the news for their huge spike.

Their 7 day rolling average recently shot up to 66 deaths per day.

The State of NY is down to 26 deaths per day. (7 day rolling average)

IOW The State of NY is down to what has been typical for the State of Texas.

(note the Y-axis scales)





And why is TX shooting up?

They've had mask policy...

Also a heat wave that keeps people inside under AC.

So many variables...

[NY65912]

At the beginning of this mess I think everyone was surprised and taken off guard as to how to contain it. NYS did not see it coming until it was too late, like most states. I don't want to PARF this thread with going into how the federal government screwed up. We could have and should see this coming and done more to stop it or mitigate it coming to our shores early on
than when we did.

What I am suggesting is that now NY has flattened the curve it is time for other states to follow the same guidelines that NY did to lower it's numbers.

Simply put, the guidelines do work. An example, Disney World in Fla is opening, maybe not such a good idea. I know that people love their "freedom" or thought of being free from government mandate but there are times that one must do the math so to speak and follow best practices.

I am not comfortable here in NYC still. I am fearful of a second wave. Anything is possible with this beast. I too am happy that I am still posting. As of 7/9/20 the new number of cases in NYC is 279 and 23 new deaths in a population of 8M. We are testing like made here and tracing back contacts. I think this is only possible due to the lower infection rates. It "feels" as though we are starting to get a handle on it, but....

Best of Luck to you all.

[island911]

Originally Posted by NY65912

... I don't want to PARF this thread with going into how the federal government screwed up. .l.

You just did.
We have a PARF thread on that https://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/1062569-why-no-riots-new-york-after-covid-cuomo.html (the royal screw-up was your governor's pushing hospital patients out to nursing homes. to make room).

Back on topic. (masks)

[jyl]

"And why is TX shooting up?

They've had mask policy..."

Are you deliberately trying to mislead, or simply have no idea what you're talking about?

TX governor Abbott ordered a no-mask policy. He prohibited cities and counties from requiring masks. Only in July did he finally switch to a mask policy. But he let counties opt out, and nearly 80 counties are doing so, or refusing to enforce it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/02/texas-mask-order-greg-abbott-coronavirus/

"The mask order represents a remarkable turnaround for Abbott, who has long resisted a statewide requirement, even as the coronavirus situation has gotten worse than ever over the past couple of weeks in Texas. When he began allowing Texas businesses to reopen this spring, Abbott prohibited local governments from punishing people who do not wear masks. As cases began to rise earlier this month, he clarified that cities and counties could order businesses to mandate that customers wear masks."

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/09/texas-mask-order-enforcement/

"When Gov. Greg Abbott issued a statewide executive order requiring Texans to wear masks in public, he gave counties the opportunity to opt out if they have a low number of active coronavirus cases.

A week later, 78 counties have taken him up on that offer. And a handful of other local governments have insisted that they won't enforce the order even though they don't qualify for the opt-out provision. Officials cited a desire to preserve personal freedoms or concerns about enforcement."

[stormin48061]

finally someone with authority weighed in on masks for the final word. We can close this thread now. Bill Nye the Science Guy... wooo hoooo!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/bill-nye-shows-how-face-masks-slow-the-spread-of-coronavirus-its-a-matter-of-life-or-death/ar-BB16AjVO?li=AAggNb9

[pmax]

Originally Posted by stormin48061

finally someone with authority weighed in on masks for the final word. We can close this thread now. Bill Nye the Science Guy... wooo hoooo!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/bill-nye-shows-how-face-masks-slow-the-spread-of-coronavirus-its-a-matter-of-life-or-death/ar-BB16AjVO?li=AAggNb9

YESSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!

Finally.

A definitive answer.

[Cajundaddy]

Like guns, I think a mask should be the last line of defense when everything else fails, not the 1st. Avoid crowds and parties, avoid enclosed public spaces, maintain physical distancing from others. We get infected from other people who are not in our household so avoid close contact with them. If you can't do these things, wear a mask. It is not a perfect solution or even a great solution, just a far better solution than no mask.

... Waiting for Island to trot out his "puny bandana" or particle size strawmen that no one cares about and give them a sound beating in 3...2...1...

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by NY65912

At the beginning of this mess I think everyone was surprised and taken off guard as to how to contain it. NYS did not see it coming until it was too late, like most states. I don't want to PARF this thread with going into how the federal government screwed up. We could have and should see this coming and done more to stop it or mitigate it coming to our shores early on than when we did.

You don't want to then you do.

Perfect.

You are completely wrong, btw. I don't want to PARF this up, but...

I glad you are well.

[stormin48061]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

Like guns, I think a mask should be the last line of defense when everything else fails, not the 1st. Avoid crowds and parties, avoid enclosed public spaces, maintain physical distancing from others. We get infected from other people who are not in our household so avoid close contact with them. If you can't do these things, wear a mask. It is not a perfect solution or even a great solution, just a far better solution than no mask.

... Waiting for Island to trot out his "puny bandana" or particle size strawmen that no one cares about and give them a sound beating in 3...2...1...

staying on topic of maks.... not guns... geez you want to get the ole hair up on the back? aren't we there now with mask as the greater of the pop didn't listen and threw a hissy fit tantrum?

[Seahawk]

I’m sitting in the Giant parking lot in California, Maryland. The place is very busy.

I am waiting on my buddy to finish his shopping for the week. We do this most Fridays.

Everyone is masked, which he tells me, even though he is wobbling towards the finish line, cuts into his “eye ball liberty”.

F’ing Navy guys 😎

[CurtEgerer]

[Crowbob]

Fräu Whitmer just signed an executive order to commence Monday commanding everyone* in Michigan wear a cloth covering over their eyes and nose in ANY public place indoors and in any crowded public place outdoors.

$500. fine for first infraction.






*there are religious and health exemptions

[island911]

wear a cloth covering over their eyes ?

That ought to make for a fun commute.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stormin48061

finally someone with authority weighed in on masks for the final word. We can close this thread now. Bill Nye the Science Guy... wooo hoooo!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/bill-nye-shows-how-face-masks-slow-the-spread-of-coronavirus-its-a-matter-of-life-or-death/ar-BB16AjVO?li=AAggNb9

Originally Posted by pmax

YESSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!

Finally.

A definitive answer.

per the link

“It blocks the movement of air very effectively,” he said, before trying unsuccessfully to blow out the candle directly in front of him. “If you’re wearing one of these, you’re protecting yourself and those around you.”

Nye also showed how well N95 respirator masks — which should be saved for frontline health care workers due to mass shortages — block out airflow.

Ah, so then frontline health care workers can use any mask that doesn't allow the wearer to blow out a candle.

Tight logic there.

Tight like the weave of cheese cloth.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by island911

wear a cloth covering over their eyes ?

That ought to make for a fun commute.

ha!