Sweden Did It Wrong

[Brando]

Thoughts on this video? Some good stats on confirmed infections and deaths for July/August.

[gregpark]

The silence is deafening. Numbers don't lie. It's not what Sweden did right, it's what they didn't do wrong. We face a huge economic rebuild and they do not. There's obviously no conquering the virus, more like waiting for it to play itself out. And I would guess Sweden doesn't have a major election looming on the horizon

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by gregpark

The silence is deafening. Numbers don't lie. It's not what Sweden did right, it's what they didn't do wrong. We face a huge economic rebuild and they do not. There's obviously no conquering the virus, more like waiting for it to play itself out. And I would guess Sweden doesn't have a major election looming on the horizon

I guess it all depends on how you measure "huge economic rebuild". Current forecast is for Sweden to see a -5.3% GDP for 2020 with the US growth forecast at -4.9%. I don't see any big winners here and both countries took a pretty big economic hit. 2021 we should see a rebound with new winners and losers post-pandemic.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-performance-country/sweden/economic-forecast-sweden_en

[island911]

When the world around Sweden drops...

Thanks for the vid, Brando

[brainz01]

Good vid, Brando. Hopefully the message gets out that COVID doesn't warrant draconian masks and lock downs for the healthy general populace.

[RSBob]

^ Until they become unhealthy. Just like Texas and Florida thought they were immune.

[pmax]

Looks like WA has gotten worse and it's gonna bleed for a while thanks to the shutdown policy.

Just let it go.

[island911]

Everyone has been wearing masks and the death rate is not falling here.

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Hoovering around 13/day

What's Sweden's average for the month? Zero?

But they are not mask fanatics.

[billybek]

13 -23 deaths so far this month in Sweden depending on the source of information.

Looks like UNC/Chapel Hill has cancelled in person classes again.

[island911]

Well, you made me look.

Yesterday, Sweden's 7-day rolling average was ZERO

For the month it's One.

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[dad911]

Originally Posted by island911

Everyone has been wearing masks and the death rate is not falling here.

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Hoovering around 13/day

What's Sweden's average for the month? Zero?

But they are not mask fanatics.

Sweden got their deaths over with early.

Washington state deaths per million are less than half of Sweden



It seems wearing masks prevented about 2000 deaths in Washington.

[legion]

The correct solution all along was to protect the vulnerable and let everyone else go about their lives. If the lockdowns worked, New Zealand would be sitting pretty.

Instead, all lockdowns do is to delay the inevitable while crushing civil liberties, destroying livelihoods, and upping deaths due to suicide, domestic violence, and plain old murder dramatically.

[island911]

So true ^

Originally Posted by dad911

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It seems wearing masks prevented about 2000 deaths in Washington.

LOL, no.

If you remember, the State of WA saw known case #1 (he recovered) but the freak-out exploded here LONG before mask wearing was a thing. ...Long before mandatory shut downs we had so many businesses encouraging people to work from home and had sanitizer and bleach wipe littered office spaces.

Masks had little to do with flattening the curve.

[dad911]

I'm somewhere in the middle. Personal responsibility, masks in public enclosed places.

My mother has been in and out of hospitals, rehab, and yesterday entered an assisted living facility. Masks, testing, and sanitizer have definitely kept those facilities safer.

My point was 1 chart does not tell the whole picture. However if the goal is minimal deaths, Washington state has done a much better job than Sweden.

[island911]

It was not Masks,
It was not testing,
It's not hand sanitizer...

The #1 thing that has kept us safe is... drumroll . . . personal physiological resistance to this virus.

[island911]

I find it so very strange that so many believe that our bodies have little or no mechanisms to stop this virus.
That only State dictate device and behavior will save you from dying.

It's really something, that flies in the face of the facts. - that the vast majority have symptoms so mild that they barely notice.

And yet...

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[legion]

Originally Posted by dad911

However if the goal is minimal deaths, Washington state has done a much better job than Sweden.

Minimized deaths by COVID, but increased deaths due to suicide, domestic violence, and murder.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

I guess it all depends on how you measure "huge economic rebuild". Current forecast is for Sweden to see a -5.3% GDP for 2020 with the US growth forecast at -4.9%. I don't see any big winners here and both countries took a pretty big economic hit. 2021 we should see a rebound with new winners and losers post-pandemic.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-performance-country/sweden/economic-forecast-sweden_en

while a 'lockdown' was not mandated, the Swedes (wisely) stayed home enough to create the functional equivalent of a lockdown

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by legion

Minimized deaths by COVID, but increased deaths due to suicide, domestic violence, and murder.

Really???

Please cite the sources for this claim.

[G50]

Originally Posted by RWebb

while a 'lockdown' was not mandated, the Swedes (wisely) stayed home enough to create the functional equivalent of a lockdown

???

The vast majority of businesses (including restaurants) stayed open.
The vast majority continued to go to work.
Most schools stayed open. Thousands and thousands of students, teachers etc continued on.
Sweden looked nothing at all like the equivalent of a lockdown. Not even close.