The History behind Marijuana / Hemp

[Rusty Heap]

There's an interesting story line behind how pot became illegal and the hysteria behind it, it's worth reading."


Cotton Farmers in the early 1900's felt threatened by the Hemp Fiber Industry. Same with Large Newspapers and Oil Industry.

A guy patented a super-efficient Hemp Processing machine and fiber source......he and his machine went missing.

in 1936, a church group were behind financing and promoting the propaganda film "Reefer Madness" .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness


In 1938 Hemp was touted as in Popular Mechanics as the next Billion Dollar industry.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a19876318/popular-mechanics-billion-dollar-hemp/






Hemp goes back thousands and thousands of years.

Interesting read from MIT university here. Facts and Data vs TrumpFakeDrugNews


https://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v13/2/history.html



To All - Discuss the History and Big Business Business interference, without it degrading into all about getting high and stoners from highschool or other social problems like opiods or booze.


Big Business = Power, Money, Control.

[Jeff NJ]

1. You cant control the discussion. The vast majority of hemp proponents are stoners and you know it. Why would we accept your premise and ignore the 800 lb gorilla of the pot smokers lobby pushing hemp as a means to legitimize their vice?
2. Who cares about hemp anymore? Its not like there aren't 100 other options, both natural and synthetic that can do the job just as well or better. Why don't we decry the fall of the wooden spoked wagon wheel while we're at it? It also works, but why do we care about it anymore?
3. Your last line is truly the conclusion and the end of the discussion. Yes, big business will do whatever it takes to remain a big business and in the past, crazy things were done (much of it illegal or at least unethical) to remain in power. You sound surprised about this.

[KFC911]

I've always heard that it was around '37....Hearst timber interests or sumthin' behind the B$. As usual....follow the $ imo.....CBD is a game changer....game over.

Fints' head will explode ...deadly schit

[john70t]

Marijuana is a drug.
It has proven known good and bad side effects.
Used for pain and nausea relief, glaucoma, possibly delaying Alzheimers, and many other beneficial uses.
It has become highly concentrated and plant-patented and highly morphed from the natural state.

Hemp is an industrial fiber.
It has made sails, ropes, bags, blue jeans, paper (the Constitution), composite panels, and many other other products.
Every culture on earth has utilized it.

Big difference between the two.

[BK911]

My opinion:
Nobody really.cares if it's good or bad for you.
Plenty of arguments for or against.
Bottom line is $ competition.
Big tobacco, big alcohol, and bigger pharma are all against for monetary reasons.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by BK911

My opinion:
Nobody really.cares if it's good or bad for you.
Plenty of arguments for or against.
Bottom line is $ competition.
Big tobacco, big alcohol, and bigger pharma are all against for monetary reasons.

With our economy being the best ever...why can't we just borrow some more and have all four?

Big pot

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by KC911

I've always heard that it was around '37....Hearst timber interests or sumthin' behind the B$. As usual....follow the $ imo.....CBD is a game changer....game over.

Fints' head will explode ...deadly schit

Yeah, it was Randolph.

[Evans, Marv]

I did see Reefer Madness during the early to mid '50s at a movie theater. Even at the time, I thought it was pretty weird. I'm also not that familiar with the history of hemp/marijuana but I heard years ago it was made illegal because of political influence & lobbying from big tobacco back in the day.

[chuckr]

Back in about 1979-1980 I worked for a company out of Chicago called Bell&Howell
I was sub-contracted to Warner-Lambert/Park-Davis Pharmaceuticals
My job was to set up and supervise a large scale microfilm job of some outdated files.
This company was THE company the government paid to do the pot research in 1936.
I read the Original file.
I am not a medical professional by any means, so my understanding of what I read was very limited. It was written as a scientific analysis of what was/is contained in the smoke.
As a comparison, they also did the same test on cigarettes smoke.
The main thing I took away from reading the file was pretty easy to understand, at the end of the report, it broke down the number of chemicals/ substances in pot smoke and in cigarette smoke.
As best as I can remember, pot smoke 600 substances..... cigarette smoke 800
I have never smoked, but... damn. 800 chemical based substances !
Wish I had taken pictures of this. I have never spoken of this till now. Bell&Howell went out of business in2000 so I think I am safe.

[GH85Carrera]

I chatted with a police detective about the hemp issues as a dinner with his wife and my wife. He admitted one issue many officers of the law did not like about hemp is how easy it would be to hid some pot plants in the field of hemp. He said it would be fairly easy to mix in several pot plants in the field of hemp. They figured the hemp would be the perfect way to hide the illegal stuff.

[fintstone]

Wow! Another thinly disguised political thread in OT. Imagine that.

The facts are pretty clear that Marijuana is a dangerous drug that is illegal in many places. Use it for recreation at your own risk...but don't misrepresent the danger. Your kids might be listening.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I chatted with a police detective about the hemp issues as a dinner with his wife and my wife. He admitted one issue many officers of the law did not like about hemp is how easy it would be to hid some pot plants in the field of hemp. He said it would be fairly easy to mix in several pot plants in the field of hemp. They figured the hemp would be the perfect way to hide the illegal stuff.

That ship sailed away back in the 60/70s....the hillbilly moonshiners (corn fields) had stuff in the cornfields....

That war was over when Nancy just said No....

Don't know of a cop in a long time that GAF...unless they grow hemp indoors too

Just bizarre ....let's outlaw 'maters .....

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Wow! Another thinly disguised political thread in OT. Imagine that.

The facts are pretty clear that Marijuana is a dangerous drug that is illegal in many places. Use it for recreation at your own risk...but don't misrepresent the danger. Your kids might be listening.

Boo!

[slodave]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I chatted with a police detective about the hemp issues as a dinner with his wife and my wife. He admitted one issue many officers of the law did not like about hemp is how easy it would be to hid some pot plants in the field of hemp. He said it would be fairly easy to mix in several pot plants in the field of hemp. They figured the hemp would be the perfect way to hide the illegal stuff.

No marijuana grower would try and hide plants in a hemp field. The idea with marijuana is to have female plants. It doesn’t matter if hemp is make or female, since the flower has virtually no THC. Any female marijuana plants would be pollinated by male hemp plants, drastically lowering the THC in that marijuana plant and and seeds grown from that female would be worthless.

It is far from the perfect way to hide marijuana plants. Some people really need to start opening their eyes, do actuall research, and stop relying on hearsay.

[fintstone]

Imagine how many lives would have been saved if cigarettes had been illegal. Similarly with alcohol. Both were far too prevalent before the dangers were known. Most of us have a friend or family member that died of smoking or related problems. With the decreases in smoking, we are finally turning the corner. Replacing it with a similar drug seems like a poor idea...

[john70t]

(may be wrong but)

I thought:
1). Sativa (i.e. Mexican dirt weed)
Looks more like hemp. Grows tall like grass fields. Smaller flower/buds. Less THC. Not desired.
Grown in southern areas where it is dry and hot.

2). Indica (commercially sold pot)
Shorter plant, spreads out and needs room, has easily identifiable large flowers/buds. More THC.
Grown in the north where damp and cold.


The fall is when government surveillance planes do their thing.
The commercial pot farms are easy to spot because of extra heat signature and the grow leaves have dropped leaving the curing buds behind.
I'm quite sure there is plenty of sophisticated photo-analytical software designed to identify plants from the air.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap

...

Interesting read from MIT university here. Facts and Data vs TrumpFakeDrugNews


https://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v13/2/history.html



To All - Discuss the History and Big Business Business interference, without it degrading into all about getting high and stoners from highschool or other social problems like opiods or booze.


Big Business = Power, Money, Control.

As opposed to Facts and Data vs ObamaFakeDrugNews? Exactly what "Facts and Data" are you referring to? There are none regarding the danger or lack thereof in your almost 2-decade old opinion piece. There are plenty of recent studies that indicate that the long term effect of the heavy use of marijuana on young people is pretty serious.

[john70t]

Chemotherapy drugs are very toxic, fint.

[slodave]

Originally Posted by john70t

(may be wrong but)

I thought:
1). Sativa (i.e. Mexican dirt weed)
Looks more like hemp. Grows tall like grass fields. Smaller flower/buds. Less THC. Not desired.
Grown in southern areas where it is dry and hot.

2). Indica (commercially sold pot)
Shorter plant, spreads out and needs room, has easily identifiable large flowers/buds. More THC.
Grown in the north where damp and cold.


The fall is when government surveillance planes do their thing.
The commercial pot farms are easy to spot because of extra heat signature and the grow leaves have dropped leaving the curing buds behind.
I'm quite sure there is plenty of sophisticated photo-analytical software designed to identify plants from the air.

1) Wrong. Sativa is not “Mexican diet weed”. Sativa and Indica grow in different climates. That’s about it. Sativa can have just as much THC as Indica. The difference is how it affects you. Sativa is a body high. Can make you giddy, feel euphoric. Indica is a head high. It gives you what is called “couch lock”. Makes you tired and fall asleep. Those are the two major differences. The medical industry is finding out the two strains may also aliviate pain, nausea, swelling.... Depending on which strain is used.

As of today, there are really no more true Sativas or Indicas. They have been crossbred so much over the years, that almost all marijuana plants are hybrids.

Edit: Yea, I grow, so I do know what i am talking about.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by john70t

Chemotherapy drugs are very toxic, fint.

...and rarely used for recreational purposes.