Serious Blockage

[Seahawk]

Here is another good article, which deals with Bridge Resource Management on commercial ships:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/ever-given-and-suez-why-ships-keep-crashing/618436/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

I found it interesting. Read the whole thing:

When a big jet airplane crashes, it almost always makes headlines around the world, and for good reason: Fatal passenger accidents are extremely rare. Right now, though, the eyes of the world are on the Ever Given, the massive container ship still stubbornly lodged between the banks of the Suez Canal.

The Ever Given’s predicament is both highly unusual and typical: Seldom does a ship get stuck in the Suez (though it does happen every few years), and seldom does a maritime disaster attract such attention. But even though the world is incredibly dependent on ships like Ever Given—a reality that pandemic-related disruptions have suddenly made visible—major maritime incidents are surprisingly common. According to the insurer Allianz, 41 large ships were lost in 2019, and 46 in 2018. Over the past decade, about 100 big vessels have been lost annually.

Why does this keep happening? Every maritime accident, like every plane crash, has its own unique failures. But one key to the improvement in aviation safety was the advent of a radical new approach to safety and training, known as cockpit resource management or crew resource management. Airplane failures still occur, but they rarely become fatal catastrophes. The shipping industry has tried to learn from aviation’s success, dubbing its equivalent “bridge resource management,” but the implementation and modernization of the approach have largely failed.
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The result is ships destroyed, vital goods delayed, and mariners’ lives lost. We still don’t have enough information to understand what happened on the Ever Given, with possible causes including a loss of power and high winds. But when I asked Captain John Konrad, a merchant mariner who runs the maritime-news site gCaptain, how many major ship incidents were a result of bad bridge resource management, he answered, “Every one. They are all BRM problems.”

When aviation took off, it borrowed its titles, uniforms, and practices from seafaring. The man (in that era) in charge of the plane was a captain, and he wore naval-style insignia. His second in command was the first officer or chief mate; the person in charge of the cabin, as on a ship, was the purser. At Pan Am, lead pilots were known as “clipper skippers,” taking the name from the airline’s famous flying boats.

A sea captain historically held nearly absolute authority aboard his ship. His power was unquestioned and unquestionable; in the British Navy, mutiny was a capital offense. Around the world, many captains retain the power to conduct weddings. They are traditionally also expected to be the last off a sinking ship, or to go down with it. When the captain of the Costa Concordia fled his sinking cruise ship in 2012, he was upbraided by Coast Guard officers and then the press. He was ultimately sentenced to 16 years in prison, including one year for abandoning passengers.

[GH85Carrera]

Just like most airplane crashes, MOST are cause by pilot error.

This time no lives were lost, but billions of dollars were lost, so something might happen, after 20 years of investigations, lawsuits and finger pointing.

I know as much about shipping as I do about ancient French poetry. In the year 2021 with all the cost of that ship, there is a simple failure that caused the crash. Likely some (or several) crew-member was not doing their duty at all, or doing it very poorly.

[stevej37]

The Ever Given was finally released after 106 days.
Canal filed a billion dollar lawsuit...they reached a settlement of 500 million.

https://news.yahoo.com/ever-given-container-ship-set-065319485.html

[stevej37]

Almost the entire crew has remained on board for the 106 days....waiting.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by stevej37

Almost the entire crew has remained on board for the 106 days....waiting.

I spent more than 4 months at sea on a deployment without hitting port.. Got a beer day on the flight deck in the middle of the IO out of it.

[daepp]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

I spent more than 4 months at sea on a deployment without hitting port.. Got a beer day on the flight deck in the middle of the IO out of it.

My soin-in-law had the unfortunate experience of being a covid-free US Navy ship at sea. So what do they do with a covid-free DDG - they keep it out at sea for 197 consecutive days - no port calls. Morale was horrible. Near the end there were a couple of suicide attempts, and within two weeks of returning to port three sailors were dead of drug overdose. I wish those 106 the best of luck!

(Ps: Although they were covid free, and although no one got on board or left the ship, they were required to wear masks 24/7 - in some of the worst conditions you can imagine...)

[stevej37]

21 total crewmen.
2 Egyptian pilots.
19 Indian Nationals

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by daepp

My soin-in-law had the unfortunate experience of being a covid-free US Navy ship at sea. So what do they do with a covid-free DDG - they keep it out at sea for 197 consecutive days - no port calls. Morale was horrible. Near the end there were a couple of suicide attempts, and within two weeks of returning to port three sailors were dead of drug overdose. I wish those 106 the best of luck!

(Ps: Although they were covid free, and although no one got on board or left the ship, they were required to wear masks 24/7 - in some of the worst conditions you can imagine...)

I do too and I can't imagine going 197.. We were going batshyte after 120 days and having a steel beach picnic with a couple of Buds per man was cheap insurance.

People never really know whether they can endure a deployment until they have to do it. I remember several suicide attempts and a couple of men turned up missing during over the course of my 4.5 yrs aboard.. Never determined whether they were self inflicted or not. Also had a guy in our division that lost it on his first work up after just two weeks at sea. He took a helo ride off the ship to San Diego. As did a guy that did a swan dive off the rear fantail during an UNREP. He was hauled before the Old Man still dripping wet from the recovery.

Give your SIL a shout out from an old Navy flat top Sailor.

[Joe Bob]

Looks like the Ever Given has a double secret probation pass to use the canal again..

ISMAILIA (Egypt) Aug 20 (Reuters) - The giant container ship Ever Given, which blocked the Suez canal for six days in March, crossed the waterway on Friday for the first time since it left Egypt after the incident.

The ship, en route from the United Kingdom to China, crossed the canal among a convoy of 26 vessels sailing from the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea, the Suez Canal Authority (SCA) said in a statement. Another 36 ships crossed the waterway from the south.

A group of SCA senior pilots and two tugboats escorted the Ever Given throughout its journey through the canal, the authority said in a statement.

The vessel, one of the world's largest container ships, became jammed across the canal in high winds on March 23, halting traffic in both directions and disrupting global trade.

Two tugs and two senior pilots.....kinda like training wheels.

[javadog]

Have you noticed that nobody’s ever “circled back” and given us an explanation of the results of the investigation into what caused the problem?

Not even after a half a dozen ships in the Persian Gulf lost their ability to steer, all about the same time.

Wasn’t that long ago, and it even made the news, nobody on record is even thinking twice about that.

Hmmm…

[john70t]

Wait, did something happen?
Where squirrel?

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by javadog

Have you noticed that nobody’s ever “circled back” and given us an explanation of the results of the investigation into what caused the problem?

Not even after a half a dozen ships in the Persian Gulf lost their ability to steer, all about the same time.

Wasn’t that long ago, and it even made the news, nobody on record is even thinking twice about that.

Hmmm…

Why do you think you deserve an explanation? To satisfy another conspiracy?

I'm surprised your super secret high level operative sources hasn't clued you in, hahaha. Did you forget to send a Christmas Card or somethin?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Why do you think you deserve an explanation? To satisfy another conspiracy?

I'm surprised your super secret high level operative sources hasn't clued you in, hahaha. Did you forget to send a Christmas Card or somethin?

Have you ever posted anything interesting in a thread, or just your usual useless bull****?

[pmax]

I thought this was another one of those medical threads.