Parts of DT Seattle are coming back. driving thru the other day I saw two shops with exposed display in exposed windows. -actual glass! Unshattered. It was pretty close to idyllic.

Do you really think your reality can compete with their fantasy? Let's be serious here. :cool:

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https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or/portland/crime
Man, imagine how much nicer it must be away from Portland if it is so idylic and crime free and is in the buttom 2% of U.S. Cities in terms of population safety.

I am truly blessed to live in the US of A, where even cities seeing massive crime spikes are so idylic.

Last I saw data, Portland was on track to beat record murders for 2021.
In recent years murder rates have more than doubled, and it is going up fast.
Lots of theft, lots of other violent crime.
All going up.

That is reality, a direction that is not good.
That said, 98% of America is safer, and if Portland is so safe now, then the rest of us not in Portland or that other 2% are truly blessed.

I'm so glad you decided to introduce some actual data into this conversation! Why don't we just take a look at the crime data from the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports (UCR)? TL;DR Omaha has more violent crime than Portland.

Property Crime
FBI UCR data says that out of the top 100 US cities by population, Portland comes in at #7 (with #1 being the worst rate of crime) for property crime with 5,677 incidents per 100k population. The 6 cities with worse property crime rate include Oakland, St. Louis, San Francisco, Memphis, Spokane and Albuquerque.

Violent Crime
FBI UCR data says that out of the top 100 US cities by population, Portland comes in at #62 (with #1 being the worst rate of crime) for violent crime with 515.7 incidents per 100k population. There are 19 cities in the US where violent crime is more than double that rate, and 7 where it is more than triple. Those cities are Cleveland, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Memphis, Baltimore, Detroit and St. Louis.

Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter Note: Murder rate is included in the "violent crime" rate above
FBI UCR data says that out of the top 100 US cities by population, Portland comes in at #78 (with #1 being the worst rate of crime) for murder rate with 3.7 incidents per 100k population. There are 61 cities in the US where violent crime is moe than double that rate, 39 where it is more than triple, 27 where it is more than quadruple and 14 where it is more than quintuple. There are 5 cities where the murder rate is more than 10x the Portland rate. Those cities are Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore and St. Louis.

So there it is in numbers folks. Portland has a ton of property crime but if you want to encounter violence don't risk it by visiting Portland (516 violent crimes per 100k): you'll need to look for a more violent city. You know, like Memphis (2,003 violent crimes per 100k), Wichita (1,022 violent crimes per 100k), Cleveland (1,556 violent crimes per 100k), Tulsa (1,040 violent crimes per 100k), Indianapolis (1,334 violent crimes per 100k) etc.

Of course there are decent areas, even close in. If you opt to shoot that video, don't forget to head a few miles north for some good scenery, then cross the river into downtown proper for even more.

Try Columbia Blvd or Marine Drive by the airport while you're at it.

Hell, if I were to try hard enough I might even find a reasonably decent part of LO.

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From my perspective the important part is looking at the change of direction.
And that data doesn't show 2020 in which there was massive change of direction.
Nor does it show 2021 data, in which last I checked things were worse than 2021.

What has been interesting when looking at FBI data is that the pearl clutching of how violent we have gotten as a society and how it wasn't so bad decades back IS NOT BACKED UP BY DATA.

Go to the trends section your link, look at Oregon and run it as far back as it goes (1986) to the newest in the data set (2019).

It will also show the national average, and you can see that around the time violent video games started getting made in the 90's with red gore and blood getting sprayed as pixels that violence started going down.

It was going down until our news media declared an all out war on peace and love.
Encouraging division, violence, and hatred.
Sad.

And people buy it, and are still buying it. :(

With any place, time of day(night) is a change factor.
It is one thing to drive across a city.
Another entirely to spend the night in certain neighborhoods.
And for the people that live in those neighborhoods it can be hard to hold ones head up.
What they build, what they try to prosper, taken and destroyed.
No one to protect them, no one to help them.
Give them money, and it is taken.
What is needed is protection from crime.
With protection from crime, productivity can return.
Productivity is the cure to poverty.
Crime is the poison to productivity.

A good first step might be to change our drug laws.
The status quo builds criminal empires and takes everything from certain neighborhoods.

So make a video, no editing.

I think they are using the dumpster fires to keep us from moving there

Considering I watched this video in its entirety(twice), I'd probably do the same if he posted a similar uncut trip.

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1003738-america.html

I was driving. No video and car operation.

There were a ton of smokin hot and scantily clad young women about.

I know. No pics or it didn’t happen...

The above utopia is what liberals want for the rest of America.

So drive it again, we would all love to see the beautiful sights. The old pok pok, ice cream, tacos stands, etc? Consider it a tourist PSA. Can you post the locations and streets?

Funny comment coming from you.
On the one hand you say "violence only happens at certain places and times" and yet you want to cherry pick one certain place and time and prove that Portland doesn't have a crime problem. :rolleyes:

I could easily say some stereotype about Tennessee, but I don't. I have no first hand knowledge of Memphis or Nashville, etc...

Nice deflection from the fact that you used the very thing you condemn: cherry picking a particular place at a certain time.

Not try to get back on topic: Please post actual video footage of nightly riots in TN and published statistics of the massive increase in crime.

Why do you care? its not like anything going on here is affecting you in any way.

Alternative to care is to care not.
Portland as part of my country I see it.
Portland prosper want I.
Want not rising violence.
Massive spike in murders for 2020 there was.
2021 could set all time high.
Care much should anyone?
To not care, why would better that be?
Which rather would you?

Is your name referring to the dog breed or the Belgian city?

All pre 2020 data, according to your link.

But hey, I'm sure that the nightly arson and rioting 0f 2020 was mostly peaceful and did not blip those good 2019 stats one bit.