What is the consensus on mandatory vaccines?

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

It is all risk management. I was curious if I have the CV antibodies. If this CV thing goes goofy, and I believe the numbers, I would weigh the puts and takes of getting the vaccine.

I wanted a baseline number, which the Doc and I will discuss next week.

My immune system is apparently very aggressive. I am learning more, but that is why I got so sick with the flu shots in the Navy and why I didn't have to get them after tilting in flight school after the shot.

Again, I am pro-vaccine if that is your deal but can't for the life of me understand why the blood test for antibodies isn't the first step, especially now with a firm population of folks that fear the vaccine.

I get timeliness, etc. All risk management.

Interesting, you had it and never knew. I wonder how many millions of people are in the same situation in the USA.

This is apparently the deal with me. Sick 3 days flu shot #1 at Great Lakes, second shot 7 days of deathly ill, lost 15 pounds in a week. Talked to the doctor that told me everyone had to get the flu shot and he said, "Whatever you do, don't get a flu shot ever again."

After it is FDA approved, we are no longer going to be given a choice. Not legal to mandate it until then. That said, words cannot express how strongly I would discourage you from getting the jab.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

You’re incompetent.

Listen to this:

https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

Or read the umpteen articles that result from a search that reference what he says here.

Or go find the original NBC article that I referenced.

Not incompetent at all. I just won't listen to that asshat. He has said things that are so incredibly false that it amazes me more people haven't ridiculed him and simply called him an asshat.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Not incompetent at all. I just won't listen to that asshat.

And that’s why I told you I quit posting things here. You, and your infantile bretheren, won’t accept any information that does not comport with your point of view.

You’re not even competent to discuss his qualifications. I’m sure you’ve seen a picture of him somewhere where he didn’t tie his shoes correctly, therefore his entire existence has been invalidated.

You’re quite the piece of work.

In the future, how about you go **** yourself?

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Mobile vaccine and testing vans are going into poor neighborhoods here in Boston, that's how.

Excellent.

Have them issue IDs at the same time (photo, please) as well because that is important to track the results.

Can't be too careful.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Excellent.

Have them issue IDs at the same time (photo, please) as well because that is important to track the results.

Can't be too careful.

I think the plan is to use the same vans for voting. Vans will roam around neighborhoods and register people to vote on the spot and then have them vote. Apparently all votes will be uploaded to Italian servers and then, um, massaged, so the right person is elected. That's what I hear.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

And that’s why I told you I quit posting things here. You, and your infantile bretheren, won’t accept any information that does not comport with your point of view.

You’re not even competent to discuss his qualifications. I’m sure you’ve seen a picture of him somewhere where he didn’t tie his shoes correctly, therefore his entire existence has been invalidated.

You’re quite the piece of work.

In the future, how about you go **** yourself?

No, my problem is the asshat uses words that the conspiracy theorist completely misses because they're too caught up in the other nonsense the asshat is spewing. "Most likely"... "quite possibly" HE IS BASING THIS ON NOTHING. If he had anything to base it on he'd say "see.... " so that others could look more into his allegations. But he's purposely vague so that people like you buy into his bullsh.t.

Do you think I haven't heard the things this guy says? I actually watched the thing you posted and just couldn't believe the nonsense this guy was spewing. I paused each time he made some wild claim and then searched. I know... I know... they're out to get him. That's all in your conspiracy theory addled mind.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I think the plan is to use the same vans for voting. Vans will roam around neighborhoods and register people to vote on the spot and then have them vote. Apparently all votes will be uploaded to Italian servers and then, um, massaged, so the right person is elected. That's what I hear.

Beautiful.

I am, however, serious about knowing who got the vaccine, when and the particulars of the person. This is a twofer: Vaccine and ID.

Sounds ominous, but if the vaccine becomes a mandate, I want to know the data, the particulars. That is how we will learn for the inevitable next round.

A boy can dream.

[cabmandone]

The variants didn't originate in countries where there was a high level of vaccination. The asshat claims vaccination put pressure on the virus to mutate. The asshat seems to ignore that most of mutations/variants were first discovered in countries where few were vaccinated.

Explain that JD. How the hell can that possibly be that the vaccines caused the pressure and the virus mutated as a result of the vaccines when the variants started in countries that didn't have the same access to the vaccines that others did. Swing away big fella. Maybe call the asshat and ask him to explain how that's possible.

[javadog]

I’m not gonna explain **** to you. I might put you on ignore, that seems expedient enough.

When you get your PhD in virology, why don’t you come back and explain everything to us. We’ll wait.

[cabmandone]

Put me on ignore ya friggin queen! But stop spreading bullsh.t here. I don't believe that's asking too much.

[gordner]

Originally Posted by javadog

And that’s why I told you I quit posting things here. You, and your infantile bretheren, won’t accept any information that does not comport with your point of view.

You’re not even competent to discuss his qualifications. I’m sure you’ve seen a picture of him somewhere where he didn’t tie his shoes correctly, therefore his entire existence has been invalidated.

You’re quite the piece of work.

In the future, how about you go **** yourself?

Says the head infant on the board. You are a funny little man.

[cabmandone]

You've got Bannon feeding the asshat.. "so the vaccine actually makes the virus more dangerous"
Oh yeah! That's why it's mutating!... because these countries with a very small percentage of the population vaccinated are putting pressure on the virus! How can't anyone believe that sort of nonsense. Here! let me have my brain removed from my head so I too can believe as you JD.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by cabmando

The variants didn't originate in countries where there was a high level of vaccination.

Are you sure?

India seems to be the center, with other, smaller countries.

52M vaccines in a population of nearly 1,5B people.

https://dashboard.cowin.gov.in/

[cabmandone]

Yeah... I'm sure. I'm not JD. I don't say things without the ability to back it up. 10% of adults in India are fully vaccinated.
https://www.indiatoday.in/diu/story/ten-percent-of-india-adults-are-fully-vaccinated-so-far-1833391-2021-07-27

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Yeah... I'm sure.

Me, too. That was my point.

So, what is next?

Restrict flights from India, China, all the countries with low vaccine rates? Proof of vaccination to come to the US?

What is an acceptable rate of vaccination per country??

Lots of questions. What is Biden doing?

[javadog]

I backed up what I said the other day. Nick just dismisses it out of hand, because he’s the smartest guy that ever lived.

He’s certainly smarter and more qualified than the guy that has spent his entire life working with vaccines. Tell us Nick, what’s your day job? What’s on your CV? Where did you get your medical degree? How many research protocols are you supervising at the moment?

Show us what a stud you really are.

[Sooner or later]

https://srhd.org/news/2021/coronavirus-mutations-and-variants-what-does-it-mean#:~:text=We%20know%20the%20coronavirus%20curre ntly,strains%20and%20almost%204000%20variants.

Organisms in general, be it humans, plants, insects, bacteria, or viruses, undergo genetic mutations which can be beneficial or detrimental. Although viruses are not technically alive, these also mutate and evolve as they infect a host’s cell, replicate and move on to another cell or a new host. The process by which a virus spreads is what we call transmission. There are differences in the rates of mutations amongst different types of viruses. As an example, the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus which causes the clinical entity we know as COVID-19 mutates approximately every 11-15 days. That is about half of the rate of influenza (flu) and about a quarter of the HIV rates. Mutations generate variability within a population, which allows natural selection to amplify traits that are beneficial, in this case, to the viral particle, as viruses are not considered organisms per-se.

We know the coronavirus currently has 12,700 identified mutations, 12 main types of the virus (identified as 19 A, the original type, through 20 J), five strains and almost 4000 variants. The strains are known as L, the original strain, which mutated into the S strain followed by V and G (further mutating into GR, GH and GV, and several infrequent mutations collectively grouped together as O). The G strains are now the dominant strain around the world. SARS-CoV-2 variants with spike (S)-protein D614G mutations have become the most common variant. It is so named because one amino acid is changed from a D (aspartate) to a G (glycine) at position number 614 of the viral spike proteins.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Me, too. That was my point.

So, what is next?

Restrict flights from India, China, all the countries with low vaccine rates? Proof of vaccination to come to the US?

What is an acceptable rate of vaccines?

Lots of questions. What is Biden doing?

We should ABSOLUTELY be restricting entry from countries with low vaccination or high infection rates. I have no real problem with requiring proof of vaccination for entry into the country. It seems prudent to protect the people here even if we offend people elsewhere.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

I backed up what I said the other day. Nick just dismisses it out of hand, because he’s the smartest guy that ever lived.

He’s certainly smarter and more qualified than the guy that has spent his entire life working with vaccines. Tell us Nick, what’s your day job? What’s on your CV? Where did you get your medical degree? How many research protocols are you supervising at the moment?

Show us what a stud you really are.

I didn't "dismiss it out of hand". I dismissed it because I've listened to and read things the asshat said and then did research to find out what the truth is. He is not telling you the truth JD. It took less than 5 minutes to figure out this asshat was blowing smoke. The fact that you fall for it speaks more to you as a person. Maybe go over to PARF and restart your big news thread JD.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by cabmando

We should ABSOLUTELY be restricting entry from countries with low vaccination or high infection rates.

I agree. That and seal the border.

Are we?

If not we are inviting the Echo variant in our front door.

Where is Joe, Kamala?