Vaccines are moving the needle...

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by john70t

In case you were didn't catch the drift:

-AIDS was/is spread by deliberate "choices". Blame the victim.
How about health care and insurance denying coverage for the treatment? That is being suggested today.
It's the same thing. Actually more obtuse of an example. Let's see if it even filters.

-The (media) is blaring that the vax hold-outs who don't want to participate in an experimental medical study are all white male Christians.
But that is "incorrect news" to say the least.
And probably deliberately racist and hateful would be a more accurate description.
(I assume you want to stick with the proven facts to base reality on.)

If you'd like to search my post history, I have provided many links from my research. They are too numerous.to copy here.
But if you have a specific question, about a specific topic, I'd be glad to discuss that further.

I think you may be too obtuse for me, but I'll bite.

Early on, I would say AIDs was spread by choices, but unknowingly. People getting blood transfusions got it. Some made bad choices knowing the risks. Do you mean to equate those choices with conditions of employment?

I'm not aware of media contending that vax holdouts are any particular group. Maybe in the media you read. What media do you consider trustworthy and without an evil agenda?

[Skillet83]

Just get some Ivermectin from Tractor Supply. Not the paste. Proven to protect you and destroy Covid. SoL, suck on it, the research is out there. The Fake Media and powers that be are suppressing it. Google zerohedge Iveremctin, they aggregate the articles. SoL is a die hard liberal that will spew whatever Facuci and the mainstream media is preaching.
Your vaccines do not work, they hurt individuals, gonna need boosters, get ready for booster #3.

Why are the liberals screaming to get the jab if they had one? You should be safe? Now, you need a jab and a vax card, but an ID to vote is rayciss. Cannot buy or sell without a vax card? What happened to my body, my choice?

What a bunch of hypocrites. So dang predictable. I believe the virus is real and out there, but the shut down and restrictions are questionable. I have had it 2 x now. Was nothing as a 56 year old dude. Granted, I am not a fat axx that thrives on mountain dew and hot dogs with a serious diabetic situation.

[Fast Freddy 944]

It still dont work, but hey, shingles is a nice side effect one has to live with. Boy I sure miss 2019, how about y'all?

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Skillet83

Just get some Ivermectin from Tractor Supply. Not the paste. Proven to protect you and destroy Covid. SoL, suck on it, the research is out there. The Fake Media and powers that be are suppressing it. Google zerohedge Iveremctin, they aggregate the articles. SoL is a die hard liberal that will spew whatever Facuci and the mainstream media is preaching.
Your vaccines do not work, they hurt individuals, gonna need boosters, get ready for booster #3.

Why are the liberals screaming to get the jab if they had one? You should be safe? Now, you need a jab and a vax card, but an ID to vote is rayciss. Cannot buy or sell without a vax card? What happened to my body, my choice?

What a bunch of hypocrites. So dang predictable. I believe the virus is real and out there, but the shut down and restrictions are questionable. I have had it 2 x now. Was nothing as a 56 year old dude. Granted, I am not a fat axx that thrives on mountain dew and hot dogs with a serious diabetic situation.

I googled zerohedge ivermectin and the first page was results either from zerohedge, a seller of it, or 404 page not found. The only different result was on the second page of results (other than some odd result):

https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/ivermectin-and-covid-19-venezuelan-doctor-uncovers-fraud

I see nothing here. Do you have credible links? What about links that say the vaccine doesn't work, that they hurt individuals?

What is SoL?

[Sooner or later]

I am SoL

We have butted heads over his ivermectin claims and his sources, Zero Credibility.

[Steve Carlton]

Are you the Gatekeeper or the Keymaster?

[island911]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Nice Island. Holy sh.t man...It wasn't his dad's "grown ass decision" to be around someone that decided not to get vaccinated and then be exposed. I could be wrong here but I doubt I am.

Your mentality, the unbelievably stupid mentality, is why his dad might have been exposed. It's a safe bet that the same asshat who refuses to get vaccinated is the same asshat that said "masks don't work!" I'd even bet the asshat supported his assertion with a meme showing smoke around the edges of a mask.

You are wrong. Every step you take could be your biggest mistake.

BTW WTF is wrong with you and your emotional anger? I've never told anyone to not get vax'd. My position has always been CHOICE. Informed choice.

I've often recommended that older and at risk people get vax'd.
But for gawds sake, WTF is wrong with you people insisting that EVERYONE MUST get jabbed. ?
Zero thought. just DO IT! is what we get.

[Steve Carlton]

Because that's the way out of this mess and minimizing further serious illness, after effects, and death. A lot of people don't want to get the virus, or their kids or relatives to get it. Look what's going on all through the south due to people making choices. Not necessarily informed choices.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Because that's the way out of this mess and minimizing further serious illness, after effects, and death. A lot of people don't want to get the virus, or their kids or relatives to get it. Look what's going on all through the south due to people making choices. Not necessarily informed choices.

Are you not vaccinated?

Why do you need others to be jabbed. You are on the vax train. Relax.

Which brings us back to - if the vax works, why booster shot #3 after 8 months?

And why is no one talking about the life benefits of not being fat and out of shape? -that's the big killer here. No vaccine for that. Fat people want to stay fat and "safe" when everyone is finally vax'd. -oye.

Hey, remember way back when NBA players tested positive, and didn't even know they were "sick"?

84 y/o pot-belly grand-pops can't survive a cold, dies and everyone loses their minds. - not because he was fat, weak and had heart issues from decades of smoking, but because a China virus pushed him over the edge.

I know, I know... "He would still be alive if people didn't think that way. "

[cabmandone]

I just wish we could come up with a vaccine to cure people who constantly ask stupid questions. What a wonderful world that would be.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Because that's the way out of this mess and minimizing further serious illness, after effects, and death. A lot of people don't want to get the virus, or their kids or relatives to get it. Look what's going on all through the south due to people making choices. Not necessarily informed choices.

Do you really believe that? The vaccine is our way out of this? Newsflash…we’ve had vaccines for the flu for decades. We still have the flu.

It’s mindless comments like this that fuel skepticism. Nice work.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by john70t

cabmando, there are more teens dying from a sharp increase in suicides than from 'the covid'.
(lockdowns, violence and hate, possibilities, etc)

Something to consider.

John,
I considered that. I pointed out early on that the lockdowns could be as harmful to mental health as the virus is to the health of the general public. The sad thing is, we'll never stop suicides... be we have a tool available that can help stop or DRASTICALLY reduce the spread of this virus and allow everyone to get back to a normal daily life. The longer people fight doing what is necessary to control this virus, the more we put those young people at risk due to measures implemented by the government. Consider that.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Do you really believe that? The vaccine is our way out of this? Newsflash…we’ve had vaccines for the flu for decades. We still have the flu.

It’s mindless comments like this that fuel skepticism. Nice work.

And just like this vaccine, we have morons who refuse to take it. Are you seeing a pattern? You should be.

[cabmandone]

But hey! Sometimes almost half the people old enough to get a flu shot... get one! That should work... right?

I mean, you've got almost half the people out there walking around with a vaccine that might work half the time... and the other half walking around unvaccinated. Why the hell is the flu still around?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

You are wrong. Every step you take could be your biggest mistake.

BTW WTF is wrong with you and your emotional anger? I've never told anyone to not get vax'd. My position has always been CHOICE. Informed choice.

I've often recommended that older and at risk people get vax'd.
But for gawds sake, WTF is wrong with you people insisting that EVERYONE MUST get jabbed. ?
Zero thought. just DO IT! is what we get.

Emotional anger? Nah... no anger here. I just replied to an UNBELIEVABLY stupid comment... it's his own grown ass fault! The problem with "informed choice" is, people might read your comments and believe they're accurate and then consider themselves informed.
I never insisted everyone get the jab. Maybe you can direct me to the comment where I said everyone must get the vaccine? Hell, I just suggested to Fred that he do as Paul did and get his antibody levels checked before deciding the best path forward for him. That's called truly informed decision making. But those who fear monger, and act as though these vaccines are somehow dangerous and post bullsh.t written by some asshat who claims to be the inventor of mRNA vaccines, they're a big part of our problem.

"The vaccines don't work... Look you need another jab!"... because of a variant that came from a country prior to the vaccines being introduced. BUT! We have people claiming that the vaccine somehow "puts pressure" on the virus to mutate! Let's just forget that every mutation out there so far has existed since before the vaccines arrived! Some guy said the vaccines are causing the mutations so I believe them! I'm "informed"... SMH

Should I go back in your history to see if you give this asshat credibility by posting links to his interview or referencing him as the inventor? My guess is that I'll find it if I care to go back and look. And THAT is the problem... "informed choice" made using bad information isn't really "informed choice". But the MSM is out to getcha! And so is the CDC... and the State Health department and everyone but some guy who claims to be the inventor of the mRNA vaccine or those "frontline doctors"... They're the only ones telling the truth! I saw it on youtube!

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Do you really believe that? The vaccine is our way out of this? Newsflash…we’ve had vaccines for the flu for decades. We still have the flu.

It’s mindless comments like this that fuel skepticism. Nice work.

We were on our way out of this with the percentage of vaccinated people we had until the Delta variant showed up. Twice as contagious and it spreads more on in exponential path.

All kinds of flu variants every year and the vaccine often works when the incoming strain is predicted correctly.

Actually, it's your comments that may persuade people to not get vaccinated, and some of them wind up in the hospital or worse. Nice work, fool.

What percentage of those currently in the hospital do you think are vaccinated/not vaccinated? That's a pretty simple question.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by cabmando

The sad thing is, we'll never stop suicides... be we have a tool available that can help stop or DRASTICALLY reduce the spread of this virus and allow everyone to get back to a normal daily life.

A normal daily life is promised...but only as long as all conditions are complied with?

Do you really trust that? These are the times of the "new normal" or whatever that means tomorrow.
It's right there on the front page.

Originally Posted by cabmando

The longer people fight doing what is necessary to control this virus, the more we put those young people at risk due to measures implemented by the government. Consider that.

That is the key sentence to consider.
Has the cure been worse than the cause?

The effects of "The Vax"...or rather the 3+ different versions of it...from 4+ different companies...is still untested and unknown.
(Not very scientific, is it.)

You are right, an entire generation of kids are being affected by government laws, not a virus:
https://summit.news/2021/08/13/study-finds-children-born-during-lockdown-have-lost-iq-points-impaired-cognitive-functioning/

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by john70t

A normal daily life is promised...but only as long as all conditions are complied with?

Do you really trust that? These are the times of the "new normal" or whatever that means tomorrow.
It's right there on the front page.


That is the key sentence to consider.
Has the cure been worse than the cause?

The effects of "The Vax"...or rather the 3+ different versions of it...from 4+ different companies...is still untested and unknown.
(Not very scientific, is it.)

You are right, an entire generation of kids are being affected by government laws, not a virus:
https://summit.news/2021/08/13/study-finds-children-born-during-lockdown-have-lost-iq-points-impaired-cognitive-functioning/

No has not. The "cure" is the vaccine. The cause for government taking action will once again end up being people too stubborn to do what is necessary to put this behind us. I don't have a scar on my arm like my older brothers do because people were willing to do what was necessary to get rid of a public health threat back in the day. Today? "Hey man... the gubmint is tryin to control us through a chip in a vaccine"

[Shaun @ Tru6]

It used to be that crackpots with The End is Near signs were relegated to street corners. Then came the Internet where they can thrive and build communities around their crackpottery. And now they can interact with normal, sane people vs. being stared at out of passing car windows.

Why give them oxygen? Whether you like it or not, simply trying to correct their tomfoolery amplifies their message. And makes them more dangerous.

Just ignore (hard I know) them and they will move from a worldwide coliseum that is the Web back to a basement meeting. Don't legitimize their views by interacting with them. Their message is a virus. Don't spread their virus. Let them believe what they want and you both move on with your lives.

[porsche tech]

Not clear as to which crackpots you refer. The ones saying get vaccinated or the end is near? Either way, seems ignoring is difficult, isn’t it?