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1990C4S 10-13-2021 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11484191)
Most everyone understands the business aspect of what happened and why it had to happen. The issue is where players who have done FAR worse than Gruden are still playing. Or where the NFL turns a blind eye to homophobic, misogynistic, and racist lyrics of the people they're hiring to perform at a halftime show.
There's always middle ground and it is typically found where double standards don't exist and there's consistency in what is done. The NFL is blowing in the political winds in hopes of expanding their market. They made an example of Gruden but don't hold the players, people you say are more valuable than a quality head coach, to the same standards.
There is no double standard. If the public accept something, there's no issue. Half-time shows are accepted, the entertainers are accepted. Gruden failed the public sniff test. Don't blame the league for the choices society makes.

When people stop watching because the players disgust them, or when segments of the NFL target market are at risk, then people get removed. Period. Until then, game on.

Seahawk 10-13-2021 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 11484352)
When people stop watching because the players disgust them, or when segments of the NFL target market are at risk, then people get removed. Period. Until then, game on.
Unless there is video evidence, Ray Rice, the media sits on their hands. We as a society have become so inured to so many things (no PARF content from me) that complaining about a half time show is viewed as the essence of fuddy-duddy.

I wish it wasn't true, but there it is.

Gruden's emails were in direct conflict with the NFL's prime directive so his fate was sealed.

BTW, he has made well over a 100 million from the his talent and relationship with the NFL. I would have done the same thing he did except apologize...at that point you are an Ice Cream Vendor on the Titanic.

I would also say, with his money, I am dust in the wind for three years.

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URY914 10-13-2021 10:26 AM
Have we beaten this issue to death yet or is someone else going to jump on and repeat what we've all been says one more time?

Seahawk 10-13-2021 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11484406)
Have we beaten this issue to death yet or is someone else going to jump on and repeat what we've all been says one more time?
Hold my beer...

911boost 10-13-2021 11:10 AM
I heard a rumor that the Washington Post (owned by Bezos) is the one leaking the emails in an effort for the NFL to boot Snyder so Bezos can buy the Washington Football Team.

Not sure why anyone would want to do that.

Tinfoil hat off.

Tobra 10-13-2021 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 11484352)
There is no double standard.
Sure there is, it is the way of the world

1990C4S 10-13-2021 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 911boost (Post 11484482)
I heard a rumor that the Washington Post (owned by Bezos) is the one leaking the emails in an effort for the NFL to boot Snyder so Bezos can buy the Washington Football Team.

Not sure why anyone would want to do that.

Tinfoil hat off.
It is very strange that of the rumored 100,000 emails examined, only these leaked out. And only Gruden was vilified...it would be logical that the league or an official high enough to have access wanted Gruden out. Possibly even the guy he libeled...

cabmandone 10-13-2021 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 11484352)
There is no double standard. If the public accept something, there's no issue. Half-time shows are accepted, the entertainers are accepted. Gruden failed the public sniff test. Don't blame the league for the choices society makes.

When people stop watching because the players disgust them, or when segments of the NFL target market are at risk, then people get removed. Period. Until then, game on.
If there's no double standard, why not allow Gruden to keep coaching? Why not just fine him and move on? This bullsh.t that he "resigned" is just that... bullsh.t. There wasn't a choice.

KFC911 10-13-2021 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11484713)
If there's no double standard, why not allow Gruden to keep coaching? Why not just fine him and move on? This bullsh.t that he "resigned" is just that... bullsh.t. There wasn't a choice.
Any executive at any of the four corporations I prostituted for would have been given the same option. You can "resign" or .... "be resigned".

He fooooked himself .... no one else did.

cabmandone 10-13-2021 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 11484723)
Any executive at any of the four corporations I prostituted for would have been given the same option. You can "resign" or .... "be resigned".

He fooooked himself .... no one else did.
I get what you're saying and as I said, I understand the what and the why. But there's a double standard at play here that doesn't sit well with me. Gruden says some things... while players punch or rape women and the players still play? Doesn't make sense.

KFC911 10-13-2021 03:16 PM
I got away with doing crap that an executive would not have too :D.

Comes with the territory...

pavulon 10-13-2021 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11484713)
If there's no double standard, why not allow Gruden to keep coaching? Why not just fine him and move on? This bullsh.t that he "resigned" is just that... bullsh.t. There wasn't a choice.
The double standard you're missing is that he was afforded an opportunity to save some humiliation. A lot of people in lower positions would never get that opportunity.

HobieMarty 10-13-2021 03:41 PM
A) I already stated that he "cancelled himself".
B) Pretty simple, don't rush to judgement.
C) Ejected from the game, fined big time.
This is a sport for entertainment only. Check your political views at the door please. They are paid very well to play a freaking game, in a country where they actually can be paid well to play a freaking game and you are going to disrespect the National Anthem? Go take a knee somewhere else!!!

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HobieMarty 10-13-2021 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 11483951)
a) He resigned, he was not fired. In fact the team had a week to fire him and chose not to. Gruden feared the league would remove him so he quit.



b) What facts do you think will come out that might negate the emails? Someone else wrote them? Should we read thousands of emails before we 'judge' him?



c) What mechanism would you use to remove players who kneel?
Forgot the dang quote ^^^^

I was just answering questions from this. ^^^^

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cabmandone 10-13-2021 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11484753)
The double standard you're missing is that he was afforded an opportunity to save some humiliation. A lot of people in lower positions would never get that opportunity.
I wish I knew how to do the cough while saying bullsh.t thing on the internet. It would be a handy thing.

Have you noticed none of his former players have come out and said they experienced Gruden saying something racist or any of the other things? I have.

stomachmonkey 10-13-2021 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11484778)

Have you noticed none of his former players have come out and said they experienced Gruden saying something racist or any of the other things? I have.
Not surprising at all.

Any half intelligent individual is capable of knowing their audience.

There are “safe” audiences where people let their guard down and those safe audiences will not say anything because they typically share the mindset but don’t want to share the spotlight.

upsscott 10-13-2021 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11484727)
I get what you're saying and as I said, I understand the what and the why. But there's a double standard at play here that doesn't sit well with me. Gruden says some things... while players punch or rape women and the players still play? Doesn't make sense.

Are you ok with Kaepernick being cancelled?

pavulon 10-13-2021 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11484778)
I wish I knew how to do the cough while saying bullsh.t thing on the internet. It would be a handy thing.
So you're saying the assistant O-line coach writes all those same things, they come to the surface and they get to "resign". You're so funny!

smadsen 10-13-2021 09:21 PM
Al Davis wouldn't have fired him. Prolly would have fired the commish.

cabmandone 10-14-2021 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11484816)
Are you ok with Kaepernick being cancelled?
IMO Kaep cancelled himself. He had opportunities if you look into his situation.


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