Cayman S Porsche Design Edition 1, Pro and con argument

[Halm]

Originally Posted by masraum

There's not really a "maintenance" way of fixing the last IMS bearings. At that point, it's practically an engine rebuild. I don't know what the exact years are (2005-2008?), but for those, you have to pull the motor and split the case to replace the bearing. That's kind of a BIG deal. If you've got the case apart, it seems like it would be crazy to not do a ton of other crap, essentially amounting to a rebuild.

I remember reading an article or something for some company that was putting some sort of squirter in that enhanced the lubrication of the bearing. You don't really hear much about that these days. I wonder if it wasn't effective or just more expensive that going with one of the fix-it bearing solutions.

Okay. I added my first IMS based car to the garage in 2010 and been following this topic closely ever since.

There is too much paranoia on the forums about the 3rd gen IMS. Both Jake and Charles have said as much. Here is a quote from Charles to me about the 3rd gen:

"When you have your clutch replaced, it's best to have the grease seal removed off the original bearing to allow engine oil to better lubricate it. At that time, you can reseal the IMS flange and have the rear main seal replaced as well. . . When you have your clutch replaced, it's best to have the grease seal removed off the original bearing to allow engine oil to better lubricate it. At that time, you can reseal the IMS flange and have the rear main seal replaced as well."

As for bore scoring, it is probably real, at some level. I once read a recommendation to only buy southern cars and you will be fine. That has worked for me as I am now on my 5th Porsche of that generation. So far so good.

[afterburn 549]

I can only repeat what L&N says -
For the cayman 2008 and back a few years it is not too big a deal.
Now, the further one goes back from there, some engines need to be split afaik- or understand.

I am only repeating the best I understand from what I have read.

[Halm]

And you are right. But I thought you were only looking at 3rd gen IMS cars, no?

[afterburn 549]

987.2 is now my quest.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I can only repeat what L&N says -
For the cayman 2008 and back a few years it is not too big a deal.

Right, that was my point. For some it's a much bigger deal than others. I have an '08. I'm sure it was a bit of a gamble. When I bought it, it had ~21k miles and was 6 years old. It had 2 years of a CPO warranty left. I drove the snot out of it in that 2 years. I'm not another 7 years down the road. I guess it could still grenade at some point. It's only got 57k miles on it now.

Now, the further one goes back from there, some engines need to be split afaik- or understand.

I am only repeating the best I understand from what I have read.

Right. I believe the 2008 and a couple/few years earlier, the ones that are not too big a deal, are the motors that have to have the case split. So for me to perform the upgrade as preventative maintenance would practically be a motor rebuild which I am not prepared to do.

Fortunately, I believe that the earlier vehicles where the bearing is more likely to be a problem don't require the case to be split. Those can be done when a clutch is done without having to crack the case. At least, I think that's how it works.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Halm

Okay. I added my first IMS based car to the garage in 2010 and been following this topic closely ever since.

There is too much paranoia on the forums about the 3rd gen IMS. Both Jake and Charles have said as much. Here is a quote from Charles to me about the 3rd gen:

"When you have your clutch replaced, it's best to have the grease seal removed off the original bearing to allow engine oil to better lubricate it. At that time, you can reseal the IMS flange and have the rear main seal replaced as well. . . When you have your clutch replaced, it's best to have the grease seal removed off the original bearing to allow engine oil to better lubricate it. At that time, you can reseal the IMS flange and have the rear main seal replaced as well."

As for bore scoring, it is probably real, at some level. I once read a recommendation to only buy southern cars and you will be fine. That has worked for me as I am now on my 5th Porsche of that generation. So far so good.

Right, I've got an '08. The IMS thing is always in the back of my mind, but it's not a major concern. I've had the car for 8.5 years. Hopefully, the fact that it's got the most durable/updated bearing that Porsche installed means that I can manage another 8.5 if needed. I got it at 21k miles, and only have 57k now.

[look 171]

Steve, you gotta drive that puppy. My S has 115,xxx on it already. Keep up with maintenance and it will run fine. I replaced the control arms not because it was needed but I wanted to do it to preserve the handling. Shocks were done with Ohlins and a bunch of other little stuff. Change that tranny oil if you guys have PDK. Its a lot cheaper then replacing tranny. My mechanic wanted me to replace oil every 50,000. If track often 25,000k. If tracked hard, replace after every couple of races they will last a long time.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by look 171

Steve, you gotta drive that puppy. My S has 115,xxx on it already. Keep up with maintenance and it will run fine. I replaced the control arms not because it was needed but I wanted to do it to preserve the handling. Shocks were done with Ohlins and a bunch of other little stuff. Change that tranny oil if you guys have PDK. Its a lot cheaper then replacing tranny. My mechanic wanted me to replace oil every 50,000. If track often 25,000k. If tracked hard, replace after every couple of races they will last a long time.

Yep. It's always been my daily driver. The thing is, a week after we bought it, we moved. My commute changed from 25 miles to 3 miles. I drove it 5 days a week, 6-7 miles per day, and still probably managed to hit at least 70. Then covid hit and I spent 3 years WFH full time. My WFH privilege wasn't renewed (got missed somehow) and now the company is forcing everyone into the office 3 days. I've got a loophole to only go in 2 days per week. The drive is a little longer than 3 miles now. I'll be racking up the miles. I set the cruise at 83mph for most of the drive. At 83mph, I get 21.5mpg @ ~$4-4.25/gal for 93octane. The wife's Outback (3.6L flat 6) gets ~25mpg & ~$3.25/gal for 87 octane. I switched from driving the boxster both days to driving her car on Mon and the boxster on Tue.
In the boxster my daily drive is ~$50/day.
Driving her car, I probably save $10/day. It's probably not worth it, but I do it anyway. I far more enjoy driving the boxster, even with the cruise set running straight down the Interstate.

[afterburn 549]

Does this happen to you guys?
what really bothers me is - the arrogance and the ignorance of some the 911 owners and salespeople.
The mentality "Why don't you just get the Big Brother, the 911"? they ask.
I answer cause i don't WANT A 911, had one BTDT.
I want a real mid-engine SPORTS car, and I just can't afford a GT40, a Lola, or a 904.!
The car (Cayman ) being referred to as a jr, shows the hype of stupid.
Oh, I am sure there are some status quo perusers out there .
As for me and most of us, we just dont want a 911 or we would have one .
Porsche itself is scared of their own baby or it would have the same power, if it did, then the thing would outsell the supposed sr.
It is as simple as that!
After all, the 911 is a 4-seater.....LOL

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[David]

^ my wife is like that. She thinks I should get a 992. I don't want one. I wouldn't mind a Cayman GTS 4.0 but since I was going to have to spend $10K markup to get one recently, I decided to keep my '14 and start tracking it.

[aschen]

still love me some 911s, but 991 and 992 just have gotten too damn big, and too damn complicated as well. I wish Porsche made something a bit smaller than the cayman.

Really couldn't care less what others think of it. Cayman has been refreshing to drive. It basically gets no attention. Exige was the opposite

[afterburn 549]

I truly do not care what people's opinions are either...that is the point here of their pointless dribble about what they know nothing about..for the most part.
On top of that, some will say ask- "why get involved in Porsche's attempt at a mid-engine car?"

Again-arrogance and ignorance travel hand in hand.

[afterburn 549]

Is there a reason cars from ca should be avoided?
Do they come with exra extra smog crap?

[look 171]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Is there a reason cars from ca should be avoided?
Do they come with exra extra smog crap?

That I couldn't tell ya but there are lot of cars out this way to choose from and rust free. Hell, they don't even see rain. I think mine had been driven in the rain twice, not because I don't want to there's just no rain and I sometimes need my truck when it does rain to haul kids around

I have driven the new turbo. It may look big but its doesn't feel too big like a Vette. If you look at the Cayman, they are bigger then a typical G body 911 for sure but when you get in it and throw it into the corner, it doesn't feel big at all. I am looking at a 991 Turbo S. I am itchy to get one after I drove it

[afterburn 549]

Thanx
Truly I wish they had made the Vett smaller, it would have been enticing!
But that thing is HUGE!

[masraum]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Is there a reason cars from ca should be avoided?
Do they come with exra extra smog crap?

THey used to come with extra smog crap back in the 80s, but I don't think they do any more. I think manufacturers make everything the same (cheaper than having to make some special) regardless of which state is the ultimate destination.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I truly do not care what people's opinions are either...that is the point here of their pointless dribble about what they know nothing about..for the most part.
On top of that, some will say ask- "why get involved in Porsche's attempt at a mid-engine car?"

Again-arrogance and ignorance travel hand in hand.

You're saying Porsche made mid engined cars before the Boxster/Cayman?? Imagine that.

[911boost]

I need to sit in one of the 987.2’s. At one point I really want a Boxter but at 6-4 I did not fit. Granted that was quite a while ago. The reason I got my first 3.2 911 was the ample headroom.

My 997 911 is a 2 seater

[Dpmulvan]

My buddy had a cayman even though plugs were changed they still froze up in the cylinders. He broke one trying to remove it.
I drove out to help him didn’t want an easy out breaking off in there so had to make a bunch of drill guides and buy a right angle drill to drill it out. Thankfully everything worked out ok car was fixed and promptly sold. I think the way Porsche treated him was disappointing to say the least.

[afterburn 549]

More on Bore s core-
I thought the IMS was the only dysfunction (987.1) , but it turns out that both generations of direct injection (987.2) and 987.1 have a huge problem.
Cylinder bore score from everything I can tally up is not a matter of if, but more of when. (S models Only)
Nothing surpasses 150K without it.
And
They start failing as low as 30K !!!!!!
The good news is, - there are other people stepping up to sleeve these things for a lot less than LN engineering. Using steel sleeves.
Nathern's workshop )utube) says this is the way it is being done in the UK, for about 1300 bucks if I remember correctly.
This also makes me think of LA Sleeve as a possible vendor for this.
They said they might be able to do my Franklin and 0-360.
SOooooo
if you guys have anything to add to all this do tell.
So far I have not pulled any trigger, but getting a HUGR education.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgmvizmbFGE

https://westwoodcylinderliners.co.uk/products/browse-by-application/porsche/cayman-boxster-3-4-litre/