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herr_oberst 11-03-2022 12:05 PM

Top Fuel champion Joe Amato had to quit racing because of detached retinas.

herr_oberst 11-04-2022 06:40 AM

Aidan discusses the Eagle and the Eagles' driver.

Good diversion for a rainy weekend as motorsports is winding down for the season

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astrochex 11-04-2022 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11838894)
Aidan discusses the Eagle and the Eagles' driver.

Good diversion for a rainy weekend as motorsports is winding down for the season

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I had the privilege of seeing the Spa winning Eagle at the AAR facilities in Santa Ana (not part of LA) when it was getting restored for the race winning commemoration in Belgium. I also got to see the car run at a subsequent shakedown at the Streets of Willow Springs. If any one is interested I can post pics and maybe video. That car was also at this years Amelia Island Concours as part of the Eagle group. It really is gorgeous.

Noah930 11-04-2022 08:19 AM

Yes, please. Please post, Paul.

herr_oberst 11-04-2022 08:24 AM

^. Absolutely. The prettiest car ever built!

HarryD 11-04-2022 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11839033)
^. Absolutely. The prettiest car ever built!

Yes indeed. This is the car I see when I think of F1.

Captain Ahab Jr 11-04-2022 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 11837978)
I miss the good old days of Williams being a top team. Still have my Ralf Schumacher Williams team hat.

Maybe the Captain can opine on what it would take for Williams to ascend to the throne again. But one thing for sure is they need Latifi gone, which is happening so that's a plus

Good question 🤔

Have a real soft spot for the Williams when it was under Williams ownership. The company culture was genuinely built on a 'everyone is part of the family' foundations.

From my experience I think the team on their own under the current owner is in an extremely weak position for the long climb back to the top

If Porsche partner up with them this will only accelerate their ascent but for many reasons I think Porsche will enjoy any success sooner by going it alone.

Same as Redbull will, by going it alone without Porsche ie having 100% control of their own destiny from a fresh start

The whole Audi and Porsche entering F1 I find the most confusing is that the two companies appear to have no intention of sharing a common engine/drive train. Its plain to see the loss of performance this approach is causing Alpine. Without the engine failures they've had 4th in the constructors would be theirs races ago.

Sincerely hope Williams rises back to the top because as a team they've achieved monumental past success but unfortunately F1 is a brutal sport as past results count for nothing when chasing championships

Look back to how many years have passed since Ferrari or McLaren won a championship, which was many, many years ago

GH85Carrera 11-05-2022 07:59 AM

I think it is interesting and not at all surprising that Honda bailed out on Red Bull when they had engines low on power, and going kerblamo. They finally got it together, and have a winning engine, just as they got away from F1. So now they see winning with Red Bull and they want to have their logo on the car again.

Williams will have a really hard path to win. Porsche has top level engineers, but they have a lot to learn to make a competitive reliable F1 power system. I can't imagine Porsche and Audi don't share some components and manufacturing just to keep costs down. They are after all, the same company. The Porsche families own the majority of VW, Porsche, Audi, Lambo, Bentley, and the others.

stealthn 11-05-2022 08:55 AM

Respectfully, I don’t see Porsche having any issues creating a reliable F1 engine. They have gone 24 hours at full tilt to win many times ��

nota 11-05-2022 09:39 AM

tag f-1 motor was theirs

here is a gutless display motor

https://silodrome.com/porsche-tag-tte-p01-f1-engine/

a few other odd items listed there

livi 11-11-2022 11:19 AM

I should have sold everything I own and put on todays pole sitter. Adios working days.

yellowperil 11-11-2022 11:24 AM

Brazil
 
Best quali ever !

HarryD 11-11-2022 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi (Post 11845480)
I should have sold everything I own and put on todays pole sitter. Adios working days.

Steiner was ecstatic. Very cool.

rfuerst911sc 11-11-2022 11:39 AM

It was fun to watch it unfold . Happy for Haas , K Mag and all of the crew . Crazy at the far end is his teammate ☹️

herr_oberst 11-11-2022 12:19 PM

It's going to be an interesting sprint race. Almost reminds me of a reverse grid at a Saturday night bullring, and a few heavy hitters will be hoping to move forward for the Sunday race. Will carnage ensue? Only time will tell! Stay tuned!

astrochex 11-11-2022 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryD (Post 11845494)
Steiner was ecstatic. Very cool.

My dvr did not capture the end of qualifying. I’ll have to find clips.

Congrats to Haas!

rfuerst911sc 11-11-2022 02:43 PM

The chances of rain just adds to the potential of a interesting weekend .

livi 11-11-2022 10:38 PM

First pole position for an American F1 team according to the outlets.

What about Shadow Racing Cars? They had pole position in 1975 and was at least founded and initially based in USA.

Neilk 11-12-2022 04:10 PM

Alonso needs to get his eyes checked. Second time in two races that he has misjudged an overtake and hit another car. It wasn't his fault with Stroll, but he could have given himself more leeway to make the pass.

Great sprint race.

rfuerst911sc 11-12-2022 04:46 PM

I bet Vettel had a talk with Stroll after his bone head move on Seb . Great save by Seb in the grass at speed .

Reg 11-13-2022 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neilk (Post 11846379)
Alonso needs to get his eyes checked. Second time in two races that he has misjudged an overtake and hit another car. It wasn't his fault with Stroll, but he could have given himself more leeway to make the pass.

Great sprint race.

He will really get on well with Stroll! Sort of coming off bad here with his complaining. Vettel takes the high road. 👍👍

ted 11-13-2022 06:20 AM

Poles for 2022:
Kmag = 1
Mercedes = 1
Louise = 0

;)

Possible contentious driving pairings for next year...
Hulk and Kmag "suck my balls".
Gasly and Ocon.
Stroll and Alonso.

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yellowperil 11-13-2022 07:06 AM

Silly me....
 
I thought the quali pole winner was starting the Sunday race on pole, not the sprint race.

Silly me.

rfuerst911sc 11-13-2022 11:02 AM

Well that was an interesting race . Congrats to the winner .

red 928 11-13-2022 11:38 PM

Wasn't that long ago, Merc was slow
and struggling with porpoising while
ferrari and red bull had it figured out.
Then the powers that be changed the rules.
Red bull and Ferrari has to change their floors,
And maybe a front wing or two.
As a result, red bull was still fast, but not as fast.
Ferrari slowed way down.

And now merc is one-two on the podium again.
Back to normal.

I wonder how much it cost to get that rule changed,
and how many others are planned for the off-season?
Bet they don't count that as part of the spending cap.

Good news is, if they keep winning, we won't have to
put up with as much whining and crying on the radio
from you-know who.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1668413780.jpg


PS I'm betting Max won't get a
Christmas card from Checo this year ;)

ted 11-14-2022 05:48 AM

In spite of the fact Max should have acquiesced, I still like Max.
If Checo crashed at Monaco on purpose to hold pole, and then win the race Max should be pissed.
Max already said the score is even now and that next race he would give up a spot for Checo.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1668437271.jpg

David 11-14-2022 05:49 AM

I think Stroll needs a one race ban penalty for his recent moves.

I also think Verstappen has removed all doubt that he's a wanker.

MFAFF 11-14-2022 06:48 AM

Monaco 2022:

Perez started P3
Verstappen started P4.


LeClerc P1 3/10th faster than Max and almost 3/10th after than Sainz in P2.

So whilst Perez's crash may have prevented Max from getting pole it was not to retain his pole, nor to retain his starting grid row.... he was starting P3 or P4.

To think he crashed deliberately is far fetched, especially as two days later RBR confirmed Perez's contract for 2023/24 seasons. This suggests it was signed before the race but not announced.

Not sure they would have announced it if they believed Perez had deliberately crashed to prevent Max's Q3 run..

Possible yet improbable.

Max simply under pressure and reverting to old habits. I hope he matures to escape this trait.

450knotOffice 11-14-2022 07:17 AM

^^Correct about Monaco. Checo was behind the Ferraris. Third on the grid.

I personally don't believe a word that comes out of Max's mouth, ever. He's just like his dad. Max will always put himself above all others. He proved that once again yesterday.

red 928 11-14-2022 01:23 PM

The alpha team was under investigation for a
pit lane incident.
The investigation found that a person entered
the pit lane who was not part of the alpha
pit crew, resulting in a 1000 somethings fine.

At this time, we have not been able to
substantiate rumors that it was Brad Pitt

stealthn 11-14-2022 06:31 PM

I haven’t been able to login for a couple days?, anyway wanted to post what a race! So much better than the previous ones. My favourite parts: RB telling Max to let Perez stay in front; he didn’t, and LeClerc trying to get the team to take Carlos off the podium for his points; they didn’t.

Classic

David Inc. 11-15-2022 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 11846845)
Wasn't that long ago, Merc was slow
and struggling with porpoising while
ferrari and red bull had it figured out.
Then the powers that be changed the rules.
Red bull and Ferrari has to change their floors,
And maybe a front wing or two.
As a result, red bull was still fast, but not as fast.
Ferrari slowed way down.

And now merc is one-two on the podium again.
Back to normal.

I wonder how much it cost to get that rule changed,
and how many others are planned for the off-season?
Bet they don't count that as part of the spending cap.

The rule wasn't changed, so to speak, the technical wording was updated to match the verbal clarifications given to the teams prior. It was a loophole left open that RB and Ferrari took advantage of that Mercedes didn't.

Edit: Basically this:

Teams: "Rule X doesn't explicitly say Y, but is Y implied?"
FIA: "Yes, Y is implied."
RB and Ferrari ignore Y
Teams: "RB and Ferrari are ignoring Y"
FIA: "Okay our bad, rule X now explicitly says Y"

red 928 11-15-2022 12:53 PM

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Deschodt 11-16-2022 09:32 AM

Lots of contentious issues...
- Binotto has been seriously rumoured to be on the way out and replaced by Fred Vasseur. Ferrari issued a strong denial, that probably means it's true (LOL). I mean what do you do with Ferrari starting with the best car and yet running out of upgrade money too soon, constantly messing up strategy, sending their #1 guy as the only guy on the wrong tire for quali, constant fumbles... Also the reason Leclerc was asking to swap position with Sainz for driver points, was because they had agreed to do so before the race - not a petulant last second request... It was doable too, a Ferrari can still hold off an Alpine, please.. Leclerc has bit his tongue many times, to his credit...

- Gasly actually did try to get 2 penalty points by a) exceeding pit lane limit and b) leaving too much room during the safety car, and both times the directors did not penalize him - it's hysterical considering he got BS penalties before for the same infractions, but when it would help him him to get points off, he cannot get them to punish him.. FIA consistent as usual !

- Stroll, I mean, come on ? Are they waiting till he kills someone? Honestly I think so. I can't wait to see "teammate killer" Alonso and Stroll get together on track !

- Alonso talking $hit about Ocon after actually being mostly to blame for the side contact and 100% to blame for hitting him again in a straight line and getting a penalty, saying he can't wait for this partnership to be over and to drive the green car- this coming from the guy who was rescued from retirement by Alpine.. I respect the driver talent and ruthlessness, and he did have bad luck mechanically vs Ocon, but did he EVER leave one team without acrimony, ever ?

- Schumacher appears to be out and replaced with Hulk. That is an odd one, replacing an up and coming driver that has been improving race after race and carries a big name and sponsors, with someone who has many many chances and never won a race. Is this really a step up? If you're gonna do that, pick an F2 driver like Pourchaire ?

- RE: end of Checo and Max bromance - If it's really about Monaco you'd have thought Max would have gotten over it by now, as he's received quite some help from Perez since...Very odd! Apparently the data trace does confirm Perez did it on purpose in monte carlo, wonder if it's too late for a penalty (like when schumi did it)!

matthewb0051 11-16-2022 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 11849060)

- Schumacher appears to be out and replaced with Hulk. That is an odd one, replacing an up and coming driver that has been improving race after race and carries a big name and sponsors, with someone who has many many chances and never won a race. Is this really a step up? If you're gonna do that, pick an F2 driver like Pourchaire ?
!

I say bring on Sophia Floersch instead of both of them:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1668630910.jpg

matthewb0051 11-16-2022 11:43 AM

BTW - that's not even a good photo

red 928 11-17-2022 12:03 AM

Schu is out at haaaaas, that sucks.
I am very curious what Hulkenburg
can do in an almost undriveable car.
I suspect he won't do well
but hope he proves otherwise.
Either way I'll be rooting for him

astrochex 11-17-2022 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 11849763)
Schu is out at haaaaas, that sucks.
I am very curious what Hulkenburg
can do in an almost undriveable car.
I suspect he won't do well
but hope he proves otherwise.
Either way I'll be rooting for him

I hope he doesn’t create a lot of work for the mechanics. Who knows, maybe he can provide development insight.

rfuerst911sc 11-17-2022 01:43 AM

The articles I read this morning state that Hulkenberg was signed for 2023 . Did he sign just a one year contract ? In my opinion you are asking a LOT from a driver who has been out of the sport for a while to come up to speed with a new team/car/engineers etc etc in one year .

I like Hulkenberg but feel bad for Mick . I hope Haas can be successful and Mick finds a place on the grid . Long term I question if Haas have made the right decision . Only time will tell .

David Inc. 11-17-2022 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 11849763)
Schu is out at haaaaas, that sucks.
I am very curious what Hulkenburg
can do in an almost undriveable car.
I suspect he won't do well
but hope he proves otherwise.
Either way I'll be rooting for him

I've been rooting for Hulk ever since his Drive to Survive episode where a little kid asked him how many races he'd won and was visibly disappointed that he hadn't won any.

I think the idea was that Schumi kept breaking cars and they think Hulk will be more reliable, and maybe provide better feedback from years of experience. I also read that Haas doesn't even have a good simulator, so is a bad place for a young driver to be.


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