Did you read the thread? Clearly the majority care about manners and decorum but not everyone.

Are jeans acceptable? Jeans are becoming more and more acceptable in many palces so probably in some places they aare.

Here a t the Jersey shore where I live church is more formal in the winter when it is just us locals. People don't dress the way they used to but still tend to look nice. Slacks, shoes a dress shirt and a sport coat.

Easter is a big thing around here the official kick off to spring/summer, the boardwalk opens every gets dressed to the nines, church than a stroll down the boardwalk. Not as dressed as the Victorians but suits, ties, Easter dresses, ladies don hats.

In the summer all that goes out the window, the vacationers (shoebees) show up shorts, t-shirts, flip flops are the norm. but your hat or cap will be asked to be removed when you enter the church

Are you still upset about the hat in church thing? Or are you upset in general all the time? Or is it the guys here that you're always upset with? I'm trying to understand why always the volcanic posts. That's a lot of erupting.

i did read the thread. its not my feelings that are requiring coddling right now. i didnt get butt hurt that someone wore a hat in a church. :rolleyes:

sounds like you are projecting a lot of feelings you are having onto me.

Not new. Still surprised.

To me, and this is my opinion, practicing good manners is when you open the door for a lady, not farting or burping at the dinner table or in front of people in general, chewing with your mouth closed, and saying please and thank you. Not wearing a hat indoors is more of a tradition or general rule that really has no origin or anything to base it on to make it make sense. Now wearing a hat in a church or place of worship seems like a mistake for some reason. I don’t attend church very often but I wouldn’t wear a hat.

It’s funny that you assume HE’S the one that’s upset. He said he doesn’t care, everyone else got upset that he had the audacity to say he doesn’t care.

I'm not projecting anything, it was your statement.

Yes. As I mentioned, I was tickled to see the usher at Mass wearing a grey hoodie. Jeans are fine. Shorts are fine.

Hats are NOT fine. It seems like you would have to be Catholic to understand why. I am very surprised the priest, of all people, did not take action. The young fellow was a RCIA candidate. Learning these things. Such as: Men NEVER wear hats at Mass.

Cockerpunk gives off angry vibes, and we're just left to wonder why...

I look at his posts as cutting through the bullshyt.

Yes, he does. I was indeed just curious as to what's going on there.

He's not the only one who's angry at manners and decorum. Hmmm.....

I'm a recovered catholic.
I went to catholic schools for 12 years. We went to mass every morning. Up until sometime in the '70's women and girls were required to cover their heads at mass, and if they forgot to bring something nice, then the nuns would make them pin on a paper towel.
Silly rule, but the men removing the hat is just good manners, something that was taught in school in a class called 'civics' where we would learn the rules and manners of good citizenship.

Sadly and sorely missed, is the mandatory civics class.

Nope, sill, stupid, social norms, etc. are all your statements.

You remove your hat at McDonald’s? If you left your hat on at McDonald’s you would be shamming your parents and family?

Isn’t this a little ridiculous, maybe a little too serious? I think it is. That said, I do admire your attitude and discipline

I think it’s important to respect the institution and I try to be respectful. But I’ll declare this, when McDonald’s figures out how to hand me a cheeseburger that has cheese thats melted and meat that is actually better than room temperature, I’ll take my hat off to ‘em :D

Yes. If I am wearing a hat or cap. it comes off before I cross the threshold. Every time. My house, your house, Walmart, the mall...even McDonalds. It is how you show respect for others that are inside. The employees that are working hard and the other diners.

Some McDonalds prepare their burgers perfectly (as perfectly as materials allow) and are hot and fresh. The fact that all cannot/do not do so is telling. I once worked in fast food and no one ever got a cold burger or one that was not perfectly made (as best as I could do so). I ensured the other employees did the same. Standards are important. It did not matter if I was serving the Governor or a poor laborer. I assumed everyone worked hard for their money and deserved the best product I could provide. That was also as sign of respect. Maybe if folks could start showing a bit more respect to others, folks that made/sold fast food would catch on. The equipment and materials are there, I guess maybe parents (and managers) did not teach employees to respect others as my parent did me. I hope I taught my kids the same.

I remember picking up my daughter once (I think she was in med school) to go to a fairly nice restaurant (maybe a steak house). It was very hot out (over 100) and she wore flip flops. Her mother and I looked at her feet and told her to go put on some shoes. She was unhappy about it ("everyone wears flip flops"). We told her that we did not...and would not. She changed her shoes. Sure enough, some others were eating there in flip flops...but that did not change a thing. It is just not what we (or she) was raised to do. I hope she learned from that and did not just think we were idiots. One does what they think is right, regardless of what others do.

Fixed it for you.

The true tragedy here is that someone was more concerned with decorum than a soul who could end up in Hell because they cared about what he wore instead of his spiritual condition. Again, I suggest you read the story of where Jesus said that the religious uptights were 'white washed tombs' because they were more concerned with regulations than in a heart toward God or the parable in Luke 18:10-14 (I'd be happy to post them for you if you don't have a Bible).

You are a rare breed and I admire that

I recently had a judge after a hearing hold me back after everyone was leaving. I thought OMG what did I do? He gave me a lecture because my tie knot wasn’t all the way up, by a few millimeters. I said geez judge, I even have my top button buttoned and I didnt notice the knot slipped down a little, sorry. He went on and on about the army and the olden days…..

Minutes later, I’m walking to the elevator down the hall and as always, I removed my tie because it’s choking me. I get in the elevator alone and lo and behold, the judge steps into the elevator and looks at me without the tie. Hahah he wasn’t happy. He lectured me all the way to my car. Despite that, we got along good and I liked him

Even 1%er bikers have rules of decorum and respect when it comes to greeting others or entering their club houses or others establishments.
It's not just about religious beliefs.

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