We need a new gun thread here.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

He has some very interesting opinions on attention to detail, patience and willingness to learn. No exactly what you'd suppose, but the percentages are surprising.

Can confirm, Women are defo the better shooters.
Men think they know how to shoot and keep running their mistakes.
Women do as told and shoot better.

Same with Ghurka's they come to the instruction and do as they are told , and consistently rank in the highest scoring groups at military shooting competitions in UK

[Fast Freddy 944]

I have a nice Sig plinker Tact-cool rifle, they discontinued it to my surprise? But it's a keeper.

[Racerbvd]

AK-47 style rifle I gave to my sister.

[302340]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I would not go. Joe is being nice and his advice is spot on, but I’d get them away from the range first to get an idea what I am dealing with and what exactly they want.

I have a range on my farm and do this a lot. The “unnecessary” comment is a red flag.

I have a question. For people who want to shoot, but never have, would it make sense for them to shoot a CO2 powered pellet handgun first? Would this give them (and everyone else) a comfort factor?

I still remember that shooting accident a number of years back where the instructor was killed by the wayward Uzi shooter, who had never shot a gun before. ...


Lee

[KFC911]

I suspect most of us old farts started out learning with a single shot .22 rifle. I was around 6 or 7 at the time

A Diana/RWS air rifle is similar ... and they are a hoot

[rusnak]

I started on the farm with a Daisy bb-gun. My grandpa bought it for me when I was 9. But they didn't let me shoot it until I was 11 or 12. Then I shot it so much I wore the spring out. It would not kill birds anymore, so I started to lob bb shot into coffee cans and boxes from long range. I still have that gun to this day. And I have my dad's .22 LR that he shot as a kid. And you know something, I still feel like that 12 year old kid when I shoot the MkIII .308 and hit the red dot at a few hundred yards.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by 302340

I have a question. For people who want to shoot, but never have, would it make sense for them to shoot a CO2 powered pellet handgun first? Would this give them (and everyone else) a comfort factor?

I still remember that shooting accident a number of years back where the instructor was killed by the wayward Uzi shooter, who had never shot a gun before. ...
Lee

-The Uzi is a whole different world from most firearms. It was not surprising what happened. The newbee should have never been handed that weapon and who ever did so was severely negligent.

- BB gun? I am not an expert in firearms training but other than knowing properly holding the gun with your finger off the trigger, I believe that the things to learn are knowing how to handle the bang and not flinch. The BB gun won't help there. I like the idea of starting with a .22lr and even putting in one round in initially. As far as "comfort factor" is concerned, I don't want to be too comfortable. I want to respect (not fear) the deadly potential of the firearm. Again this is just my unqualified opinion.

[John Rogers]

I had a older neighbor (died two years ago) that had the UZI he carried while working for "the State Department" in Centeral and South America. He had been a Captain in Army Intell during the Korean conflict and also had his issue 1911 he carried then. He had 12 notches in the wooden grips and told me about several of his missions going to the North to do "some clean up" as he put it with a couple of South Koreans, an ROK Lt, very young fellow and a ROK staff SGT lady which surprised me. He said she was the meanest person towards the North he had ever seen!

He had at least one firearm in every room of his house......as he put it there might be folks still alive who don't like me! Both his 1911 and the UZI rattled as they had gotten a lot of use I guess!
John

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by 302340

I have a question. For people who want to shoot, but never have, would it make sense for them to shoot a CO2 powered pellet handgun first? Would this give them (and everyone else) a comfort factor?

I still remember that shooting accident a number of years back where the instructor was killed by the wayward Uzi shooter, who had never shot a gun before. ...


Lee

That would be, in my opinion, a fantastic way to start a new shooter. I am a huge fan of air guns as very worthwhile training tools, not just for rank beginners, but for experts as well. Personally, I've been a very active shooter for over 50 years, being so deep into it that at last count I was reloading ammo for over two dozen distinct calibers of handguns and rifles. I probably fire over 10,000 rounds of centerfire ammo in any given year. But what do I spend the most rigger time with? Air guns.

The beauty of air guns are both accessibility and cost. With a proper pellet trap, one can shoot them in the garage, basement, or if pressed, even in the living room. Decent ammo is so cheap we can burn through it without worry about the cost. Which leads to their very best attribute - they breed familiarity and good gun handling habits at a far faster rate than rimfires or centerfires. Good, safe gun handling never changes, good marksmanship habits never change. Air guns teach both just as well as the powder burners, and can do so more quickly for the reasons I outlined above.

So, yes, by all means - start with a CO2 pistol. Or a break barrel spring piston, or a pneumatic pump-up, both of which avoid the cost and inconvenience of sourcing CO2 cartridges. The CO2 guns do enjoy one distinct advantage, however - one can be found that will match just about any "real" gun one could imagine. So, whatever your aspiring shooter has their eye on for a rimfire or centerfire, start him or her off with the CO2 equivalent. You'll be miles ahead when it comes time to buy the "real" gun.

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by 302340

them to shoot a CO2 powered pellet handgun first? Would this give them (and everyone else) a comfort factor?

I still remember that shooting accident a number of years back where the instructor was killed by the wayward Uzi shooter, who had never shot a gun before. ...


Lee

CO2 and air pistols are lots of fun. And accurate too. .22 handguns are excellent too.

If I remember correctly, I think the Uzi accident was an eight year old girl who shouldn't have really been shooting the thing anyway.

[302340]

Greatly appreciate the comments, everyone! ...


Lee

[Racerbvd]

https://armedamericannews.org/video-atf-conducts-surprise-firearm-inspection-at-mans-home-without-search-warrant/

[Por_sha911]

Interesting information about Glocks and Special Ops
https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/why-the-glock-is-the-sidearm-of-choice-in-special-operations/

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Fast Freddy 944

I have a nice Sig plinker Tact-cool rifle, they discontinued it to my surprise? But it's a keeper.

I have that one too. Very nice shooter.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Reiver

Nobody likes long guns?

Russian or Chinese?

308 FIME VEPR?

[tabs]

I don't like SIg Sauers..only Sig worth having is the one made in Switzerland..

The CZ's are reminiscent of the Sig 210..inside rails..

A Grail spoon is something that you want that is unusually hard to find due to rarity and or condition.

I can not think of a thing at this time.

[Rick Lee]

Local gun BBS has a Dan Wesson Vbob in NP3 for $1400. Gawd, I want so badly, but so do not need.

[Por_sha911]

DW I know
V-bob I know

What is NP3?

[Jeff Higgins]

A trio of Interarms "Virginian Dragoons", manufactured in Alexandria, VA from the mid '70's to the mid '80's. I always thought these to be a better gun than the Ruger Blackhawk with which they were meant to compete. Better machining, finer finishes, smoother actions, and generally more accurate. Alas, they were half again the price, and were only made for about a decade.

Top to bottom, .357 mag, .44 mag, and .45 Colt:



The .44 mag with a Ruger Blackhawk for comparison:



Not all that evident in the photo above is the larger grip on the Dragoon. Much more comfortable with heavy magnum loads, especially for guys with bigger hands:



The Dragoons are old school single action, with four hammer clicks with the second click being the load/unload position. Like original Colts, only safe to carry with five rounds, with an empty chamber under the hammer. Unlike the old Colts, they did us the favor of marking one chamber to make it easier to line the empty one up under the hammer:





One of my favorite single actions. I wish they still made them.

[Por_sha911]

Jeff: nice Dragoons. For SAO I have a lowly Ruger

Its comfortable to shoot with 45 Colts and has a 2nd cylinder for 45 ACP.
I just held a 36 Cheifs Special this week. Very old (no dash in the serial #) and in excellent condition. I didn't need it but the 'want' was really bad.