More AI Weirdness

[Crowbob]

As the development of AI increases, so does the mystery of how it works. This article approaches the taboo of human bias in AI. The problem is, IMO, as AI expands, the tendency to eliminate bias also expands which, paradoxically, make AI more artificial than intelligent.

Science is increasingly subordinated to social pressure by virtue of the traditional funding structure. That structure forces scientific results to align with what is considered good for society and rejects the science that is not considered good for society, like racism.

We do not want to accept that we are fundamentally racist. It is entirely consistent with evolutionary theory for humans to be inherently racist for obvious reasons going back to tribalism and self-preservation, distrust of strangers and the perseverance of clan societies.

But, when the developers of AI try to imitate human intelligence, those developers also try to reduce bias. In doing so, the AI gets further removed from real intelligence and becomes its own intelligence which becomes more and more artificial.

Even the title of this article is biased. Because scientists don’t like the finding that AI is inherently biased, it declares such biases as unexplainable. It is explainable; human intelligence is biased. Deal with it. If AI is trying to emulate human intelligence, it needs to have bias.

I think it interesting that if AI is going to be truly unbiased, it will destroy humanity because AI will compete with and eventually prevail over human intelligence. Unbiased intelligence is a threat to everybody.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3pezm/scientists-increasingly-cant-explain-how-ai-works

[GH85Carrera]

I think some of the problem is simple preference and not really racist. Since I hit puberty as a young teenager I discovered I prefer blonde hair and blue eyed women. I can appreciate other hair color and eye color on women, but all I know is blonds are my preference. I don't know why, but it is just what draws my attention. Now I don't dislike, or feel hate towards other skin colors or eye colors and hair colors on men or women, but like my favorite foods or cars, or other favorite things are indeed part of my personality.

Artificial intelligence is a scary thing. It is a long way from sentience. I received a phone call not long ago from a pleasant female voice and at first I thought it was a human. After a couple of questions I suspected it was an AI sales call. I just threw out a random sentence like "I like turtles" and "my shoes are old" and there was no response, so I hung up.

Since then, I let most phone calls just go to voice mail. If it is at all important, leave a message and I will call back.

[Crowbob]

My points were 1) that bias is inherent in humans intelligence. I only used racism as an example of how AI scientists are trying to excise a basic human trait thought to be a negative out of AI when trying to create more human-like AI.

2) The claim that AI bias is unexplainable is false.

And 3) the inexplicableness of AI bias is used as a coverup to avoid the admission of the inherence of bias in human intelligence.

[HobieMarty]

So, this got me thinking, I know, it hurts at first getting these old cogs and gears turning. So, remember the Hatfields and McCoys feud?
So, we all Love our families and will do anything to protect our family and our family name and reputation. If someone disrespects a member of our family, we get upset, angry and defend our family members.
So, by being "biased" toward our family, does that make a person a "Family-ist"?
We have traits within us that are simply "built in" and are part of human nature. Am I making any sense? I don't know, you decide.

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[Crowbob]

Yes. You are. I’ve decided.

Per the article, Google banned two developers because they published a study that was in conflict with the notion that, if the goal is to use AI to perform as or to predict human behavior, bias should not be eliminated from AI, that looking for bias in the algorithms to weed it out is counter productive.

IMO, I think minimizing bias to almost zero makes AI much more dangerous than simply tolerating it and excising the extremes.

I think at some point AI is gonna get out of the lab like COVID did. Such a thing is scary of it doesn’t have some kind of ‘feelings’ one way or the other.

[Tervuren]

Jedi vs Sith.
Both are extremes that try to bake out a single aspect of humanity in favor of a different aspect.

The Jedi attempt to remove emotionalism.
The Sith attempt to remove rationalism.

Neither order was good, both caused there different forms of suffering.

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Such a thing is scary of it doesn’t have some kind of ‘feelings’ one way or the other.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I think at some point AI is gonna get out of the lab...

[oldE]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Yes. You are. I’ve decided.

Per the article, Google banned two developers because they published a study that was in conflict with the notion that, if the goal is to use AI to perform as or to predict human behavior, bias should not be eliminated from AI, that looking for bias in the algorithms to weed it out is counter productive.

IMO, I think minimizing bias to almost zero makes AI much more dangerous than simply tolerating it and excising the extremes.

I think at some point AI is gonna get out of the lab like COVID did. Such a thing is scary of it doesn’t have some kind of ‘feelings’ one way or the other.

I don't think one has to be biased in order to be aware of and even understand bias.
To say a machine has to be biased in order to detect it and predict behavior is illogical.

Best
Les

[pwd72s]

The defense.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by rcooled

One point clarified in the 2010 book and movie was HAL was reprogrammed and ordered to make contact with the aliens at all cost, humans were just in the way, so he tried to eliminate them to accomplish his single minded task. All that mattered to HAL was contact with the builders of the monoliths. Human intelligence won out.

With luck the first true AI that is sentient, will have something akin to Asimov's laws or robotics embedded in the core instructions.

And to reply to the OP, yes we will have to include the actual prejudices and political beliefs of humans to try to predict human behavior.

[stevej37]

My smartphone has a small screen...from your thread title, I thought it was about this guy.

[Eric Hahl]

There is a trippy show on Nat Geo named Year Million. It talks about what life as a human or post human and AI will be like in the future. It's quite thought provoking. Narrated by Laurence Fishburne.