Interesting facts about EV use.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

So, they're better cars than what the other manufacturers are making? A million miles out of a battery pack, seems like the destructive cost of manufacturing would wash out at that point. Take worn out cars, pull the battery packs, then either put them into a new car, or collect them for OTR trucks, or keep them at home as part of the Powerwall setup. Recycling! Problem solved, there are now no reasons to not buy a Tesla.

I am with you. Teslas are cool. I can't afford one and it is not applicable to my use...yet.

I just don't want to be forced to use one or subsidize others to use them.

[zakthor]

I've a friend thats seriously considering selling her prius to buy a new electric car. She says she's doing it for the environment.

But add it up... take the $60k or whatever that she'd spend on that 2000lbs of toxin and put it towards advocating for higher gas taxes.

I think its only the pocketbook that will change behavior and get us to the finish line, isn't possible to get there via individuals paying big bux to do extreme stuff in the name of the commons.

Like recycling plastic bags - now they're banned - boom.

Dollars to doughnuts donating to politicians will have a larger impact on the environment than her switching from using her current 4 gallons of gas per week. Just makes no sense at all on any level, except in her little brain she'd maybe feel nifty about it every time she drove it.

[oldE]

If we were really motivated in placing the least amount of stress on the environment, we wouldn't buy a new vehicle. Yes, sometimes you have to buy a new one, but not every 3 or five years.
We tend to keep ours a minimum of 10 years. If the salt didn't eat them around here, twenty years would suit me just fine.

There is a lot of talk about mining rare metals for EV batteries. Everything for a new car has to be manufactured at some cost. Even running the factories to make new stuff uses energy.

Save the planet! Drive an old car.

Best
Les

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I am with you. Teslas are cool. I can't afford one and it is not applicable to my use...yet.

I just don't want to be forced to use one or subsidize others to use them.

We both like them, check.
We both want one, check.
We both cannot currently afford one, check.
We both don't think they are the perfect vehicle for everyone and every situation, check.
We both think that goobernment will force us to drive electric vehicles like good and proper comrades...no check.

I still believe that the PEOPLE are more powerful than the GOOBERNMENT, and will never let them do something as draconian as require everyone to drive state sponsored electric vehicle pods, at 40mph speed limits, and use state required solar panels to charge them at home, in our state loaned housing units.

Sure, they *pretend* to do that, but all of these legislations are "enacted by 2035" or "enacted in 15 years". They're just kicking the can down the road, knowing that in 15 or 20 years either (a) technology will make a kick butt solution that allows the laws to go into effect, or (b) any number of elected officials before then will cancel the law.

[ADDvanced]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Remember when everyone was lamenting that Tesla owners would have to replace batteries after 8 years?? Remember?

25% of all Model S cars are model year 2012-2014, 8-12 years old. Are you seeing a dead Model S for every 3 working ones? No? Me either. I don't see Craiglist loaded with 10 year old Teslas with dead battery packs being sold for pennies on the dollar, as we were also promised.

I wonder what happened? Are 25% of all Model S owners driving cars that have dead batteries? Is there a secret underground cottage industry of putting gas engines into old Teslas? Because, clearly the nay-sayers would have been correct, as they always are, and we wouldn't be seeing a case where engineering overbuild battery packs, designing them to survive long past the potential break down date...

It's because, like most conservative-oriented opinions, they were completely full of ****.

[ADDvanced]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

So, they're better cars than what the other manufacturers are making? A million miles out of a battery pack, seems like the destructive cost of manufacturing would wash out at that point. Take worn out cars, pull the battery packs, then either put them into a new car, or collect them for OTR trucks, or keep them at home as part of the Powerwall setup. Recycling! Problem solved, there are now no reasons to not buy a Tesla.

You can't use logic against contrarians.

I'm not posting in this sub forum again, enjoy your echo chamber, boomers.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

It's because, like most conservative-oriented opinions, they were completely full of ****.

Not a good look for an outboard engineer....

You gonna debate or just name call?

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

You can't use logic against contrarians.

I'm not posting in this sub forum again, enjoy your echo chamber, boomers.

You need to point that arrow right back at yourself....


And since you haven't contributed a picogram of substance to this forum.... you won't be missed....
Buh bye bse 😘

[mattdavis11]

He has no time to explain to us how much better the outboard will be when the boat is powered by a sail, that moves the boat turning a waterwheel, that spins a generator supplying juice to the motor that spins the prop moving the boat, which now creates its own wind to turn the windmill that turns another generator.....

Carl Kiekhaefer should have thought of this long ago.

[Arizona_928]

He's such a leftist. Comes here to ***** n moan....
Blames the right for his losses in tesla that is artificial to begin with...

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

We both like them, check.
We both want one, check.
We both cannot currently afford one, check.
We both don't think they are the perfect vehicle for everyone and every situation, check.
We both think that goobernment will force us to drive electric vehicles like good and proper comrades...no check.

I still believe that the PEOPLE are more powerful than the GOOBERNMENT, and will never let them do something as draconian as require everyone to drive state sponsored electric vehicle pods, at 40mph speed limits, and use state required solar panels to charge them at home, in our state loaned housing units.

Sure, they *pretend* to do that, but all of these legislations are "enacted by 2035" or "enacted in 15 years". They're just kicking the can down the road, knowing that in 15 or 20 years either (a) technology will make a kick butt solution that allows the laws to go into effect, or (b) any number of elected officials before then will cancel the law.

Yes. No disagreement. It is always easy to write checks that have to be paid by others or come due after you leave office and others are responsible. You can take credit now and if it works out later, you are a visionary. If it fails, it is someone else’s fault.

[stevej37]

Yes...but 'EVs Only Displaced 2 Days Worth of Gas Consumption Over the Last Decade??'

Did anyone read the link/article?