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Conor McG's schit-talking doesn't bother me, it's entertaining and I'm a bit of a ST'er myself, if I'm being honest.

It's the whole leprechaun act and all of the stupid tattoos, I just want to stomp him. And his mouth just never stops going...the press conference between him and Diaz before the first fight was classic...McG wouldn't shut up and Diaz just leaned back and said, "faaaaak you..." I knew right then that he was going to win, should have put money on it.

speeder · speeder's Garage

Mohamed Ali was the biggest trash-talker ever but that was different, he was intelligent and funny as hell plus he could back up absolutely anything he ever said, (except for one time against Frazier).

McGregor is a punk.

Seahawk · 12-23-2022, 09:39 AM

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McGregor makes me embarrassed because he's Irish but isn't McGregor a Scottish name? That's what I'm going with.

Hey! I'm 1/2 Scottish...he is all yours

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Mohamed Ali was the biggest trash-talker ever but that was different, he was intelligent and funny as hell plus he could back up absolutely anything he ever said, (except for one time against Frazier).

Ali was the most visually interesting boxer/athlete I saw as a young man...in victory and defeat. I vividly remember watching him fight on TV (b/w with rabbit ears) and my Dad and his boxing buddies commenting/critiquing his hand position, right up to the point where Ali turned out the lights.

"Oh".

No one had seen it before...at least these guys.

speeder · speeder's Garage

Boxing is the most amazing sport.

Jeff Higgins · 12-23-2022, 10:46 AM

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Boxing is the most amazing sport.

It certainly can be. It has its moments, though. It's unfortunate that at least some of the b.s. for which MMA (and WWF, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes) is known has managed to creep in to boxing. They seem to struggle at times to keep it the more dignified and respectful of the various fighting sports, but it does have a long, proud history of a high level of dignity and sportsmanship. MMA has never enjoyed that - it's been burdened by loud mouthed, tattooed, disrespectful punks from its very inception. Probably a product of the times more than anything else. Hell, NASCAR drivers were throwing their helmets at each other and fist fighting in the pits by then. MMA probably never stood a chance. That said, they never really tried, either.

masraum · 12-23-2022, 10:49 AM

I don't follow MMA, but didn't Connor and Rhonda both have really amazing rises and records. They both got to the top or nearly the top and then got knocked down. I would think that it would be hard to not be cocky when your unbeaten or nearly so. I feel like I saw M Ali being a little cocky back in the day too. I assume these are the only athletes that were near or at the top or looked like they were going to attain the top spot. And as stated, I am sure that they are encouraged to act like that.

masraum · 12-23-2022, 10:54 AM

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It certainly can be. It has its moments, though. It's unfortunate that at least some of the b.s. for which MMA (and WWF, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes) is known has managed to creep in to boxing. They seem to struggle at times to keep it the more dignified and respectful of the various fighting sports, but it does have a long, proud history of a high level of dignity and sportsmanship. MMA has never enjoyed that - it's been burdened by loud mouthed, tattooed, disrespectful punks from its very inception. Probably a product of the times more than anything else. Hell, NASCAR drivers were throwing their helmets at each other and fist fighting in the pits by then. MMA probably never stood a chance. That said, they never really tried, either.

As I've said, I don't really follow either, but based on what little I do know about both, that doesn't really seem that surprising. Boxing is structured and has rules which promotes discipline. Also boxing is older and from a time when conduct and behavior was more important and judged. MMA is new, and by comparison, seems like it has less structure. And it's from the age of WWE, NASCAR, and "reality TV". It doesn't really seem all that surprising that it's more over the top and outrageous and extreme.

But, I could be wrong. Like I said, that's just from a cursory/superficial view.

Rawknees'Turbo · 12-23-2022, 10:54 AM

^^^

That is absolutely the story with both Rousey and McGregor, and I agree that it is probably next to impossible for a sports figure to temper their cockiness when experiencing success like they both did.

BTW, I think that brother Higgins is FOS

when it comes to his MMA-WWF comparisons, but he already knows that!

DavidI · 12-23-2022, 10:54 AM

I'll be working Fedor's fight against Bader on February 4, 2023, at the Forum. It's going to be a blast!

Jeff Higgins · 12-23-2022, 11:00 AM

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^^^

That is absolutely the story with both Rousey and McGregor, and I agree that it is probably next to impossible for a sports figure to temper their cockiness when experiencing success like they both did.

BTW, I think that brother Higgins is FOS

when it comes to his MMA-WWF comparisons, but he already knows that!

You're right, my apologies. I hate to be so hard on WWF.

Rawknees'Turbo · 12-23-2022, 11:07 AM

^^^

I'm going to have to add a fourth exclamation point to your SUX!!!! rating, bub!

masraum · 12-23-2022, 11:16 AM

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I'll be working Fedor's fight against Bader on February 4, 2023, at the Forum. It's going to be a blast!

After posting this thread, Youtube sent me another video about Alexander (Fedor's brother). It's interesting. According to the video, the boys had a rough life in USSR. Alexander got in trouble and went to jail, where they believe he got into a notorious gang of thieves/gangsters. He's tried a few times to straighten out and fly right and do the fighting thing, but it seems like he eventually gets drunk and does something stupid that gets him in trouble again. He goes back to jail. He denies the association with the baddies and crime and jail, but it seems like a certainty, and even Fedor has confirmed it despite what his brother says.

In college I worked in the stadium for several concerts and a wrestling match. I suspect your work is a bit more interesting.

upsscott · 12-23-2022, 11:59 AM

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That's quite an accomplishment and your son is a very well rounded fighter, with Judo for excellent take downs, and BJJ for the ground game. I personally think that one solid judo flip would pretty much incapacitate someone if they fell on the concrete.

This was my logic when I took up BJJ. I wanted a solid self defense martial art that would be effective against a larger person. After watching the old UFC and Royce Gracie, I went with BJJ because it was the most effective against other single styles. We all instinctively know how to throw punches and even kick to a degree so when two untrained people fight the winner is usually the bigger, stronger, overall tougher guy.

BJJ neutralizes this because anyone that trains grappling knows that instincts are completely wrong when it comes to ground fighting. It takes years of drilling and sparing to create the muscle memory needed to instinctively move in the correct manner to control a person on the ground. Things like eye pokes and getting kicked in the balls are always possible but very unlikely, and not highly probable against an efficient grappler. These are not new ideas and we train to defend and prevent these common silly techniques that an untrained person may attempt.

I started training in 2010 and got my Black Belt in 2021 so its definitely a long journey and that's training 4-5 days per week.

So is it possible that some random tough guy would get the best of me in a street fight? Absolutely! Street fights are very different and I acknowledge that, however BJJ is predicated on street self defense so I would much rather go into a fight as a conditioned BJJ grappler vs going in with no training and simply relying on physical prowess.

My son hates the idea of a street fight but his confidence takes the fear out of the equation. He said his main concern is a well placed sucker punch.

upsscott · 12-23-2022, 12:04 PM

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After posting this thread, Youtube sent me another video about Alexander (Fedor's brother). It's interesting. According to the video, the boys had a rough life in USSR. Alexander got in trouble and went to jail, where they believe he got into a notorious gang of thieves/gangsters. He's tried a few times to straighten out and fly right and do the fighting thing, but it seems like he eventually gets drunk and does something stupid that gets him in trouble again. He goes back to jail. He denies the association with the baddies and crime and jail, but it seems like a certainty, and even Fedor has confirmed it despite what his brother says.

In college I worked in the stadium for several concerts and a wrestling match. I suspect your work is a bit more interesting.

Alexander looks like he’s a hit man for the Russian mob. He probably is actually.

Jeff Higgins · 12-23-2022, 12:21 PM

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^^^

I'm going to have to add a fourth exclamation point to your SUX!!!! rating, bub!

Dammit! I'm gonna hafta try harder. Really hoping to achieve that five star rating...

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My son hates the idea of a street fight but his confidence takes the fear out of the equation. He said his main concern is a well placed sucker punch.

Not trying to be snarky, or judgmental or anything, but I have to ask - what is it about him that even makes this a concern in the first place?

cantdrv55 · 02:43 PM

Bader is built like Batman but Fedor has one punch knockout power. Or at least he used to have. But Bader knows kicked his butt 2 years ago.

upsscott · 12-24-2022, 03:39 AM

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Dammit! I'm gonna hafta try harder. Really hoping to achieve that five star rating...

Not trying to be snarky, or judgmental or anything, but I have to ask - what is it about him that even makes this a concern in the first place?

I’m not sure I understand your question. My son is a gentle giant. He’s a 6’4” 240lb special education teacher. If your wondering if he sits around trying to start street fights you’d be wrong. We’ve just talked about it hypothetically. I guess my final opinion would be that standing and banging is cool in the movies but in real life I’m trying to get the fight to the ground.

Jeff Higgins · 12-24-2022, 09:30 AM

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I’m not sure I understand your question. My son is a gentle giant. He’s a 6’4” 240lb special education teacher. If your wondering if he sits around trying to start street fights you’d be wrong. We’ve just talked about it hypothetically. I guess my final opinion would be that standing and banging is cool in the movies but in real life I’m trying to get the fight to the ground.

You must be very proud of your son. What a noble profession, good for him.

Just the way you worded it made me afraid maybe he was putting himself in situations where this could be a real concern, not just a hypothetical one. I'm glad to hear he is not, and you guys are just talking it over hypothetically. I've done the same with my two sons, with my overriding message being "just don't - it's never worth the risk".

And, yes, we've discussed the "extremes" of that risk. As I've belabored previously, running into "that guy". Beyond that, we have also discussed the "other end" of the risk - "winning". I think most of us saw the video in another thread wherein a really big guy punches some idiot that had knocked his phone out of his hand. Knocked him out, which resulted in the guy falling over backwards and smashing his head on the pavement and going into convulsions. He could just as well have died. That's what "winning" a street fight often looks like. "Winning" could change our lives forever, and not in a good way.

Anyway, I'm heartened to hear that none of this is a concern for you and your son. It isn't for us, either. No more than just a hypothetical exercise.

Por_sha911 · Por_sha911's Garage

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the untrained guy now has a gun since this occurs "on the street" he shoots the MMA guy and wins. end of story.

Good point. The .45 ACP is a great equalizer.

Por_sha911 · Por_sha911's Garage

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But, no, you very much appear as though you need to "win" some kind of an argument. Typical PPOT conversation with an uninformed, inexperienced contributor desperately trying to argue something with which he has no personal exposure. You have never experienced, never seen fights like those I have, and have tried to describe here. Yet you are absolutely God damned sure you know how it would go. I'm only trying to help, by providing perspective from someone who has seen this.

So drop the straw men, drop the assumptions, drop the veiled insults. They don't help your case. They just make you sound like kind of a dick...

Jeff: you forgot that intelligent debate is like a boxing ring. Arguments on the Internet are street fighting without rules. No need for logic but "win" by any means necessary.