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2.7RS 01-11-2023 10:21 AM

Well since the kids have asthma and they are already slow and we are not addressing the root of the problems which is allergens and pollutants that spread all over those miserable homes. I propose a solution

First. Teach them how to clean their home properly
2nd. Get rid of pets. They are animals and they belong outside. That's the way it has
been for thousands of years. Or live with the consequences . Your choice
3rd. They can eat healthy allergen free microwave meals.


I'll keep my range.

masraum 01-11-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zakthor (Post 11893624)
Adapter doesn’t remove efficiency. It’s a slab of iron and the current inducts energy into it, which heats the copper. Is exactly like an electric coil stove. You can get the experience of an adapter today by putting your copper pan on a griddle over a gas burner.

I don’t like the buzzing the induction makes. It’ll be jammed down my throat someday but I’m happy with gas.

My thought is that an air gap between a ferrous disk and a copper pot is not as efficient for heat transfer as 2 disks that are mechanically bonded to each other.
We had the metal disk on the bottom of a stainless pot separate from the pot. When it was still semi attached, we used it a little. When it completely detached, I used it once as an experiment. It didn't transfer heat as well (took forever to boil water).

Yes, you can sometimes get a buzz. In my experience, the buzz is usually worst in an empty or nearly empty pot or a light/crappy pot. Someone gave us a really cheap Al pot that's got a super thin ferous disk on the bottom. That one buzzs like a mofo. We've got some nice, thick, heavy pots, and they don't usually buzz at all that I can here.

masraum 01-11-2023 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 11893861)
I speculate the iron adapter would slow the response to turning heat up and down? That quick response is what I like most about gas (and copper), and is supposed to be a feature of induction too. Doesn't seem like a big negative, can always briefly lift the pan off the burner.

Cast Iron and steel pots will hold a lot of heat, but the transfer rate is SLOOOOW. Copper conducts heat like a mofo so heats up and cools off fast by comparison. Aluminum is about in the middle of the two.

Induction is in my experience as fast as gas with some caveats.

Arizona_928 01-11-2023 12:01 PM

It's politics and control

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masraum 01-11-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11893747)
So, gas v electric v induction. How much energy is needed to generate and deliver the power for electric and induction cooking vs the energy needed to create and deliver gas?

Interesting question. I don't know. What I do know about the efficiency comparison.

electric - burner gets hot, heat transfers to pot and surroundings.
gas - fire is hot, fire heats the pot and runs up around the pot and heats the environment and the pot's handle.
induction - the "burner" which is a magnet doesn't get hot, but it does cause the pot to get hot. The surface of the stove might get hot, but it will cool really quickly. In my experience, you can usually touch the surface of the stove within seconds of moving the pot, and it's safe to touch. I suppose if you had a big heavy pot that heated for a long time, you might want to wait 1-2 mins.

There is actually someone out there trying to sell induction burners that get installed under your counter top so you could cook right on the counter.

Por_sha911 01-11-2023 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 11893890)
Just the fact that this idiot is one of the "concerned lawmakers" makes me want to run far away from this junk, I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him.
Sorry for the PARFiness but this sounds like another stab at eliminating fossil fuels by the liberals. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...999f7706a8.jpg

This idiot is a perfect example of the old Reagan quote:
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’
There is no settled science on gas and particulate pollution causing health issue. There IS scientific agreement on Radon.
If you give a rip out pollution look at what happens when the average housewife overheats a teflon pan trying to get it to heat up too quickly!

fintstone 01-11-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 11893975)
Sure is nice to be living here in the land of the free.

"As Government expands-Liberty contracts." -Ronald Reagan

Freedom is "parfy"...doncha know?

URY914 01-11-2023 12:18 PM

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administration-we-have-no-plans-to-ban-gas-stoves-173251111.html

Settle down everyone. :rolleyes:

stevej37 01-11-2023 12:25 PM

Even if they did decide to ban them....how would they expect to rid the existing gas stoves/ranges??

masraum 01-11-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 11893901)
Our house had a propane cook stove when I was in my formative years. I guess that explains a lot. :D

Wouldn't a vented range hood eliminate the combustion by-products? Requiring a range hood in new construction or remodeling makes more sense that requiring an electric range.

I think that'd only be effective if the hood was setup to automatically come on any time the stove was on. The amount of time that I turn a vent hood on when cooking is probably less than 0.01% of the time. They mostly just make a lot of noise.

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Gas is great to cook on. They'll have to pry my Bosch cooktop out of my cold, carbon monoxide-dead hands.
I've never tried induction, but I'm open to it. They say its faster than gas, with the right cookware. I'm curious how well it would work with my AlClad pots and pans.
I think most of the nice AlClad stuff would probably work fine, although I'm sure there's variation depending upon what model you've got.

Arizona_928 01-11-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11894169)
Even if they did decide to ban them....how would they expect to rid the existing gas stoves/ranges??

Just like the epa and current wood stoves.

Ban old models. Stop selling parts. Force the sale of new compliant appliances....

Por_sha911 01-11-2023 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 11894180)
Just like the epa and current wood stoves.
Ban old models. Stop selling parts. Force the sale of new compliant appliances....

Like they did with R12 in cars and R22 in home AC systems.
Also, the comrades in Kalifornia have already started the process with new home construction.

stevej37 01-11-2023 12:55 PM

There should be an exemption if a homeowner proves there are no children living there.

Arizona_928 01-11-2023 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11894201)
There should be an exemption if a homeowner proves there are no children living there.

lol

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stevej37 01-11-2023 01:48 PM

^^^ Just need the proper paperwork.:)

Zeke 01-11-2023 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 11894199)
Like they did with R12 in cars and R22 in home AC systems.
Also, the comrades in Kalifornia have already started the process with new home construction.

It's just a step up from hillbillies cooking on wood stoves.

Deschodt 01-11-2023 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11893851)
SF has banned gas from new construction, for example. Clearly this is not about safety as there are plenty of methods available to safely handle gas in appliances.

It's not just SF - I believe the entire state has banned them starting in 2030 and a lot of city code already does so.. That said, I remember when PG&E blew up San Bruno with their gas pipeline (that was 10y before they decided to try grilling everyone with powerline fires instead)... Honestly I wouldn't mind if natural gas disappeared completely as a supply line to my hood. I was a cooking snob with gas too, but these days I don't even notice I'm using electric. It pollutes, it's expensive as hell when Russia goes to war (my bill tripled this winter gas wise), it blows up more spectacularly than electrical wires too ;-) Not sure everything is "political" vs the simply the march of progress... That said if the govt is gonna push us to all electric, they'd better invest in better grids with cleaner power generation (and stop closing nuclear plants).
I'm hoping to be gas free in a few months - still gotta price an electrical furnace (to use my solar credits). PG&E could still blow up my street though - they actually just retrofitted the line a year ago, bad vibes...

Bill Douglas 01-11-2023 02:20 PM

Why get concerned about gas stoves and cooktops right now.

Gawd, possible recession, covid, war in Europe, higher interest rates...

And someone has decided to get excited about gas cooking.

stevej37 01-11-2023 02:24 PM

^^^
I always have this...the Deion Sanders Hot Dog Machine!
Rollin...Rollin...Rollin.

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Racerbvd 01-11-2023 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 11894145)

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