Alec Baldwin Will Be Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Killing

[stevej37]

True or not....I was on the fence about his responsibility until I heard that during the safety meeting he skipped out.
Staying on his phone was more important to him.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by stevej37

True or not....I was on the fence about his responsibility until I heard that during the safety meeting he skipped out.
Staying on his phone was more important to him.

Pampered and privileged people are not accustomed to being held responsible. Not ever having been one, I think it would take a lot of integrity to maintain humility. AB is not well-known for being humble.

That could change. He’s got a buncha little kids. If he gets off with a slap on the wrist, i.e., no hard time, maybe he will learn from this and be grateful for living in a country founded on the notion of individual liberty with a constitution having certain amendments meant to guarantee it.

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Pampered and privileged people are not accustomed to being held responsible. Not ever having been one, I think it would take a lot of integrity to maintain humility. AB is not well-known for being humble.

That could change. He’s got a buncha little kids. If he gets off with a slap on the wrist, i.e., no hard time, maybe he will learn from this and be grateful for living in a country founded on the notion of individual liberty with a constitution having certain amendments meant to guarantee it.

Maybe. Nah, that’s not going to happen

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

JFI If a movie is being shot in Australia an actor can not touch a firearm (real or fake) without the appropriate "licence".
To get that licence they have to complete a gun handling and safety course. There are no exceptions to this rule.

I would have assumed it would have been the same in the US???

- If not why isn't it?

Because we often step on our own dicks?

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

JFI If a movie is being shot in Australia an actor can not touch a firearm (real or fake) without the appropriate "licence".
To get that licence they have to complete a gun handling and safety course. There are no exceptions to this rule.

I would have assumed it would have been the same in the US???

- If not why isn't it?

Actors usually go through a "boot camp" for roles where an expert or technical advisor is hired to show them how to properly execute tasks that are germane to their character.

For instance if you're playing a cop you'll do "ride alongs" with real police, learn how to do a proper search and seizure, take down a suspect, etc.

For westerns there is time set aside for training with the Armorer in weapons handling, safety, target practice (on an actual range with a firearm similar to what they will be handling), maybe some gun twirling, holstering, etc. When the camera is ready to roll you don't want it to appear as their "first rodeo", they should seem to be in a familiar role/environment. They get an extensive amount of training.

[stevej37]

All charges dropped.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-criminal-charges-dropped-195315070.html

[masraum]

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. I guess they'd at least make a show of it rather than killing it before it really even started.

[daepp]

Re; the OP, guess not...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/charge-against-alec-baldwin-dropped-in-rust-shooting-95f2bedf?mod=djemalertNEWS

[Rusty Heap]

hope everyone boycotts the movie instead of a morbid fantasy about it.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap

hope everyone boycotts the movie instead of a morbid fantasy about it.

Maybe Halyna Hutchins' family would prefer you watch Rust and the documentary, as her widower husband Matthew Hutchins will be an executive producer.

[astrochex]

Disgusting. I hope whatever conscience he has left nags him until the day he is worm food.

[Rick Lee]

There really is no justice in this world. Why even bother doing the right thing?

I hope AB is crushed in the civil suit.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

There really is no justice in this world. Why even bother doing the right thing?

I hope AB is crushed in the civil suit.

I actually think this is a big reason for some of the behavior we’re seeing nowdays.

[sc_rufctr]

And predictably...

Charges remain against the film’s armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/20/alec-baldwin-charges-dropped-rust-shooting

[rfuerst911sc]

All charges were dropped but prosecutor says case could be reopened in the future . What ?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

All charges were dropped but prosecutor says case could be reopened in the future . What ?

If the charges have been dropped, then this doesn't count as him having been tried. If he hasn't been tried, then he can still be tried. Maybe they weren't confident of their odds with the evidence that they currently have. Or maybe the "we may try him at a later date" is just a statement meant to keep some folks from screaming about the charges being dropped.

[KFC911]

^^^^^ This .... the last part.

[greglepore]

Well, it seems that there is at least a possibility that the gun discharged without a trigger pull, which changes things dramatically. The newly appointed prosecutors want time to analyze that evidence, and dropped charges to buy time. Given that if they went to trial and this evidence was introduced, it seems to me it could form basis for reasonable doubt, and thus acquittal and double jeopardy attaching. Tactically it makes sense not to go forward until you have the ability to discern what impact this additional fact adds.

[Baz]

I'm still a little cloudy on all the details but remember someone saying this rehearsal was impromptu without the knowledge of HGR. And she wasn't even present.

Seems to me, if that is true, she can't be held accountable for the firearm being loaded as it was not her who handed it to Baldwin. IIRC, the AD did that, and has already plead to a lesser offense.

[GH85Carrera]

What a colossal wast of time and money to just drop it now.

The armorer is for sure the biggest culprit. I can't imagine how there was any live ammo allowed anywhere near the set for any reason.