Alec Baldwin Will Be Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Killing

[craigster59]

I think the "plinking after hours" theory is your best bet. Remote location, some crew members claimed to have spent the night rather than go back to hotel, alcoholic beverages, etc.

Sometimes "location filming" can turn into frat parties.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by craigster59

I think the "plinking after hours" theory is your best bet. Remote location, some crew members claimed to have spent the night rather than go back to hotel, alcoholic beverages, etc.

Sometimes "location filming" can turn into frat parties.

Fair enough, Craig...but how did one get into Baldwin's gun?

Isn't the answer to that question key to where most of the blame lies?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Baz

Fair enough, Craig...but how did one get into Baldwin's gun?

Isn't the answer to that question key to where most of the blame lies?

I think the theory is that the afterhours plinking was with his gun. So, filming with blanks, filming shuts down, drinking and shooting commences, the next day, filming starts back up, but no one checked the gun that had been using live rounds during the prior evenings fun and games and still had live ammo in it.

[hcoles]

Originally Posted by masraum

I think the theory is that the afterhours plinking was with his gun. So, filming with blanks, filming shuts down, drinking and shooting commences, the next day, filming starts back up, but no one checked the gun that had been using live rounds during the prior evenings fun and games and still had live ammo in it.

okay - but still some person brought live rounds to the area to be used for plinking or some other reason. Who is that person?

[flatbutt]

Baldwin certainly shares in the responsibility, but I maintain that the armorer is the one who is ultimately at fault. Baldwin had no training did he? Does the production company require such training?

Whomever provided the live rounds for plinking also has to answer for that.

But the armorer is the one responsible even if the producer is the one who handed the revolver to Baldwin. The producer should not have been able to access the weapon.

[Baz]

The armorer's attorney stated that she showed and demonstrated to the AD the gun and all the chambers with dummy cartridges in it before handing it over to him.

If that is the case, how can she be at fault? Sounds like she did her job.

Remember this rehearsal was not scheduled. The armorer was not informed it was even taking place.

And the usual cams that are set up to monitor a set were not in place/working - so unless you were inside that church - you wouldn't even know the gun was going to be handled by anyone at that time.

Hard to put the blame on the armorer but at this point too much speculation and little facts to reach a hard conclusion....

[speeder]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Baldwin certainly shares in the responsibility, but I maintain that the armorer is the one who is ultimately at fault. Baldwin had no training did he? Does the production company require such training?

Whomever provided the live rounds for plinking also has to answer for that.

But the armorer is the one responsible even if the producer is the one who handed the revolver to Baldwin. The producer should not have been able to access the weapon.

AB has definitely had some type of training with guns but it concentrated on handling a weapon in a realistic way on camera as opposed to actual firearms training.

And it was the 1st AD, (assistant director), who handed him the gun, not a producer. This is significant because that person is an employee with specific duties and responsibilities and a producer would be a boss.

[Crowbob]

Is there some invisible force field around movie sets that protects actors from responsibility when handling firearms?

I want one (a force field not a movie set).

[Hugh R]

Originally Posted by craigster59

I think the "plinking after hours" theory is your best bet. Remote location, some crew members claimed to have spent the night rather than go back to hotel, alcoholic beverages, etc.

Sometimes "location filming" can turn into frat parties.

Very likely, BUT never should happen with real guns under the control of the Prop Master/Armorer.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Baz

The armorer's attorney stated that she showed and demonstrated to the AD the gun and all the chambers with dummy cartridges in it before handing it over to him.

If that is the case, how can she be at fault? Sounds like she did her job.

Remember this rehearsal was not scheduled. The armorer was not informed it was even taking place.

And the usual cams that are set up to monitor a set were not in place/working - so unless you were inside that church - you wouldn't even know the gun was going to be handled by anyone at that time.

Hard to put the blame on the armorer but at this point too much speculation and little facts to reach a hard conclusion....

What else would he say? You don't take that for the truth, do you?

I've been sued before and I can tell you that there are more lies in a courtroom than there are at a fishing camp. Or used car lot. In fact, I'd believe what I heard on a car lot before a courtroom.

[Jeff Higgins]

It still amazes me that some folks believe that it is acceptable to have different sets of firearms rules depending upon the circumstances. What does not surprise me, however, is that if someone out there is going to be haughty and arrogant enough to believe they can make their own firearms rules, it would be Hollywood.

I liken firearms rules to the laws of physics. Not quite as inviolable, but pretty damn close. There are some folks who believe that the laws of physics don't apply to them. They may actually get away with practicing this belief for awhile, but ignore them long enough and they will, inevitably, catch up with them.

Same with firearms rules. The most basic of them have been developed over centuries, with millions and millions of people providing their input and experiences, some good, some bad, under every set of circumstances imaginable. And some most of us never would have thought of.

Some of this experience is, of course, somewhat hard won. People died. Adjustments have been made as a result. It's all pretty damn solid by now. Not "laws of physics" solid, but I would put it in a close second place. Violate them, and people get hurt, or they get killed. It really is that simple.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by greglepore

depends on whether they apply a "firearms enhancement"-that's a mandatory 5 yr sentence in NM-normal IM is 18 months max. The DA may not apply the enhancement as this sort of accident is probably not what the mandatory was looking to prevent, policy wise.

"Enhancement "...

I thought no body was above the law... LoL! Leftists

[Arizona_928]

Imho the person who brought AB the gun and said cold is responsible...

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Imho the person who brought AB the gun and said cold is responsible...

At least 3 or 4 people are responsible imo...

Him
The armorer
Whoever brought live rounds on the set and put them in that gun
AB

[Baz]

Found an article from back in November of 2021 that provides information about how the live rounds may have found their way onto the set.....and then into the firearm......

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/rust-investigators-live-rounds-alec-baldwin-1235122384/

Included in the article is this little nugget.....

Gutierrez Reed described loading the revolver with five dummy rounds before lunch on Oct. 21. She said the sixth round would not fit in the gun, so after lunch she cleaned it out and then was able to load it. She said she “didn’t really check it too much” before loading the final bullet because the gun had been locked up during lunch.

And this:

In previous affidavits, investigators have revealed that Dave Halls, the first assistant director, acknowledged that he did not thoroughly check the revolver before handing it to Baldwin.

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Is there some invisible force field around movie sets that protects actors from responsibility when handling firearms?

I want one (a force field not a movie set).

Set up a camera first and you are GTG.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by KC911

At least 3 or 4 people are responsible imo...

Him
The armorer
Whoever brought live rounds on the set and put them in that gun
AB

If I handed you a gun and told you it was "cold", would you point it at your daughter, cock the hammer, and pull the trigger? Without checking it yourself?

One step further - would you ever do that, under any circumstances whatsoever, with any real gun? That's a rhetorical question, of course, because we both know the answer.

[sc_rufctr]

... what Jeff said.

AB seems to be a narcissistic fool who knows nothing about the real world.

[Crowbob]

And why should AB know anything about the real world? He doesn’t live in it, work in it or care about it. His life and his work is make-believe. His wife has a Spanish accent she picked up in Massachusetts.

Cut him some slack. He knows what’s best for you.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

If I handed you a gun and told you it was "cold", would you point it at your daughter, cock the hammer, and pull the trigger? Without checking it yourself?

One step further - would you ever do that, under any circumstances whatsoever, with any real gun? That's a rhetorical question, of course, because we both know the answer.

You and I have both seen gun shop bozos pick up a gun and hand it to another bozo they didn't know without checking it too.... at least I have. We know better, but every bozo on a movie set doesn't know what we know about guns either. They have been part of our lives forever ..... but probably not for many Hollywood types .... especially actresses imo. Not disagreeing with you, but it is a different world than we live in. So I still say several people were responsible and negligent ... jmho.